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Lazlo74 from A tropical hell-hole Since: May, 2018
#341526: Nov 27th 2020 at 6:11:27 PM

So the orange cheeto paid $28k per vote just to make himself lose bigger? Holy shit, the Onion will probably have to shut down for good soon. I would be laughing my lungs out if it weren't for his cult sucking up to whatever bullshit he spews on an hourly basis and predictably denying this as fake news.

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#341527: Nov 27th 2020 at 6:17:11 PM

For what it's worth, The Onion has actually made a public statement about not talking too much about Trump if they can, on the basis that they kept making jokes that turned out to be literally true.

Having said that, I don't know how serious they were or if they've stuck to it.

Leviticus 19:34
ryanasaurus0077 Since: Jul, 2009
#341528: Nov 27th 2020 at 6:24:20 PM

Three weeks on and I'm still surprised race wasn't a deciding factor in the election, since Trump's pretty much the kind of guy who'd flippantly say "dingo ate your baby" to an Aussie.

CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#341529: Nov 27th 2020 at 6:35:53 PM

Honestly, at this point, who cares? We won.

Edited by CrimsonZephyr on Nov 27th 2020 at 9:37:28 AM

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
ryanasaurus0077 Since: Jul, 2009
#341531: Nov 27th 2020 at 6:40:30 PM

TL;DR: Trump is a proven racist, and was even before he even considered politics. And still he managed to get black people and Latinos to vote for him.

Lazlo74 from A tropical hell-hole Since: May, 2018
#341532: Nov 27th 2020 at 6:43:09 PM

Speaking of which, many right-wing leaning people seem to have a deep distrust towards mass media in general in the US, accusing them of being biased to Democratic or liberal leanings at best or denouncing them as fake news that run against "non-compromised impartial news outlets" like Fox News, OANN or Newsmax at worst.

Is there any precedent behind this disdain towards mainstream media in American society, or are they just parroting what the GOP propaganda outlets tell them?

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ryanasaurus0077 Since: Jul, 2009
#341533: Nov 27th 2020 at 6:50:43 PM

Only precedent I can think of is the Nixon years, and even then the distrust in the media wasn't as intense as it is today.

nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#341534: Nov 27th 2020 at 6:53:15 PM

[up][up][up] The two groups still voted overwhelming Democratic, though. Democrats shouldn't take it for granted or anything, but almost every minority group in the US votes blue.

Edited by nova92 on Nov 27th 2020 at 6:53:25 AM

ryanasaurus0077 Since: Jul, 2009
#341535: Nov 27th 2020 at 6:59:55 PM

I certainly don't take it for granted, not after we cut it close this year.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#341536: Nov 27th 2020 at 7:00:30 PM

So, any ideas on how to get Dem spirits up for the run off?

Wake me up at your own risk.
ryanasaurus0077 Since: Jul, 2009
#341537: Nov 27th 2020 at 7:02:10 PM

Indeed, the higher our spirits, the better.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#341538: Nov 27th 2020 at 7:02:28 PM

Call voters in Georgia, donate to Ossof and Warnock, share every positive ad and meme you can find on social network, fight disinformation.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#341539: Nov 27th 2020 at 7:04:19 PM

Speaking of which, many right-wing leaning people seem to have a deep distrust towards mass media in general in the US, accusing them of being biased to Democratic or liberal leanings at best or denouncing them as fake news that run against "non-compromised impartial news outlets" like Fox News, OANN or Newsmax at worst.

Is there any precedent behind this disdain towards mainstream media in American society, or are they just parroting what the GOP propaganda outlets tell them?

I don't know when exactly this started, but essentially anything that isn't straight capitulation to GOP dogma is too liberal for them. You can see it with how Fox, by simply acknowledging Biden won the election, is now considered too liberal for certain parts of their viewerbase.

The problem is essentially the whole "reality has a liberal bias" thing - it doesn't actually, but the core of that expression is that democrats actually bother to care about what scientists and other relevant experts have to say about a given subject, and base their policy accordingly like a rational political party. Republicans on the other hand will readily downplay science and academia, whether it's cynically to get votes or because they are true believers. Fox News and right-wing radio pundits have also been stoking this for a long time. So the GOP voterbase is basically conditioned not to trust what experts say if it goes against dogma.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Nov 27th 2020 at 12:06:07 PM

Lazlo74 from A tropical hell-hole Since: May, 2018
#341540: Nov 27th 2020 at 7:06:49 PM

It's likely that the age of (dis)information with the advent of social media has made it more difficult for people to discern between junk information and actual news material with integrity. While it's pretty obvious that the hardcore right-wingers are just looking for a boogeyman, what I don't understand is why even the more level-headed Republicans and right-wingers still distrust the media quite deeply.

I know this one artist who has a fairly right-wing leaning. He keeps reposting tweets from that bozo Scott Adams and kept saying things about how the mainstream media is guilt-tripping people into social issues that aren't as big as they believe. What strikes me odd is that he doesn't seem to be a Qultist or even that far deep into conservative ideology.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#341541: Nov 27th 2020 at 7:13:07 PM

Like I said, at some point you have to stop applying misunderstood to people who are against you and start thinking, "Maybe they're just assholes."

Which is against my inclinations but reminds me of a story. I had one friend who, like me, was a Actual Pacifist. He was even further Left than I was but also a better person who believed people were fundamentally good. My friend believed pretty much that crime was only because of need and that bigotry was ignorance. One day, while walking along the street, a guy just randomly tasered him. Guy apparently bought one and decided to test it out.

It really fucked with my friend because it was an encounter with Evil Is Petty that had no excuse other than It Amused Me.

I feel like the last four years has had a chunk of America embracing that.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
clemont107 Mega Togekiss?! from Land of Missed Opportunities (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Mega Togekiss?!
#341542: Nov 27th 2020 at 7:25:42 PM

[up]I think there is a Sadist part in all of us. When we hate someone, we want to see them suffer in awful ways. It is natural.

What we can do is channel that anger and hatred into something productive and positive, like doing good, because Good Feels Good. Unfortunately many don't know this and instead give in to their hatred, lashing out at other people who didn't do anything to them.

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Steven (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#341543: Nov 27th 2020 at 7:30:46 PM

@Charles

I hope your friend didn't completely lose hope in people while also taking heed that not everyone is good (while not assuming every person is a prick).

Remember, these idiots drive, fuck, and vote. Not always in that order.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#341544: Nov 27th 2020 at 7:32:17 PM

If a 2010 Harvard study is to be believed, The Power of Hate and Good Feels Good are very much real things...but The Power of Hate has a slight edge.

Disgusted, but not surprised
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#341545: Nov 27th 2020 at 7:32:48 PM

[up][up]No he eventually bounced back but it was a nasty moment for him. It actually helped him prepare for Trump because he stated he forgot that so much of society is punching down not up.

I had a better grasp on that because I used to be The Fundamentalist and knew that kind of nasty self-righteous sadism first hand.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Nov 27th 2020 at 7:35:31 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#341546: Nov 27th 2020 at 7:35:02 PM

I feel like the GOP is a big-tent party of Hate. You don't have to hate everyone they hate, but as long as you hate some other demographic, they have room for you. They tell you it's ok to hate whomever you were hating and you can pretend the party doesn't really hate your specific demographic.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#341547: Nov 27th 2020 at 7:36:22 PM

The GOP is basically a party that doesn't demand anything of you. It doesn't demand that you better yourself. It tells you that you're already Number One just by being a "real" American. That attitude is after all the core of nationalism.

Edited by M84 on Nov 27th 2020 at 11:37:30 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#341548: Nov 27th 2020 at 8:08:38 PM

The perceived left bias is not strictly a US thing, I think. I've heard Dutch talk shows accused of being too left leaning, specifically on inviting politicians. The host pointed out that they kept inviting politicians from right wing parties, but they often didn't come.

Hope shines brightest in the darkest times
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#341549: Nov 27th 2020 at 8:28:09 PM

[up][up][up]That's because nearly all haters will, when it comes down to it, hate anyone.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#341550: Nov 27th 2020 at 9:04:06 PM

About Latino voters, you have two main blocks that vote Republican.

The Cubans, which still pretty deep in the whole Red Scare thing and will vote to anyone who they don't consider a leftist and the Catholic Latinos who consider things like supporting abortion a big no.

You also have the self loathing Latinos who still act like they are considered white in the US, so Boomerang Bigot is in full effect.

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