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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#341476: Nov 27th 2020 at 12:52:30 PM

[up]I mean, the issue is literally that the republicans don't want bipartisanship. They just want to have their way 100% and won't settle for anything less. Mc Cain was the last republican who cared about true bipartisanship, and he's gone now.

Putting up a pretense of bipartisanship for the sake of optics is one thing, but actual bipartisanship is simply not possible now regardless of anything the democrats do.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Nov 27th 2020 at 5:54:23 PM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#341477: Nov 27th 2020 at 12:57:01 PM

Mayor Laguardia tried to get the American Nazi Party to turn on their leader by revealing he'd been massively embezzling money to pay for his mistresses as well as lavish lifestyle. Fritz Khun argued, successfully, that as the American Fuhrer he could do whatever the fuck he wanted with the money.

So Laguardia settled for just arresting the fucker.

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#341478: Nov 27th 2020 at 12:57:36 PM

Yeah bipartisanship with Republicans means surrendering and allowing them to dictate policy.

If Biden tried for bipartisan action on healthcare it means the end of Obamacare, bipartisan action or immigration means the deportation of Dreamers.

Obama’s insistence on a bipartisan approach to Russia meant that Americans went unwarned about Russian election meddling.

Edited by Silasw on Nov 27th 2020 at 8:58:33 PM

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#341480: Nov 27th 2020 at 12:59:46 PM

How the hell do you have bipartisanship with people who don't care if poor people, racial minorities, and LGBT people die? And who actively deny reality because they're the puppets of corporate interests?

Compromise is a means to an end, I don't see any good end to engaging in bipartisanship with such people.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#341481: Nov 27th 2020 at 1:00:31 PM

I get that you don't want bipartisanship on a personal level, but in politics, it is unavoidable.

Also, the alternative to bipartisanship would likely lead to a conservative revolt.

Tell that to the Republican Congressmen and women doing everything in their power to avoid bipartisanship in politics and being rewarded for it.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#341482: Nov 27th 2020 at 1:00:48 PM

Actual Joke on the Simpsons:

President Lisa Simpson: How did Social Security get overturned? We have 99 Democrats.

Milhouse: That one Republican has a lot of influence.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#341483: Nov 27th 2020 at 1:01:59 PM

Tell that to the Republican Congressmen and women doing everything in their power to avoid bipartisanship in politics and being rewarded for it.

If I may trope, Good Cannot Comprehend Evil.

People don't seem to believe Republicans really WOULD let hundreds of thousands of people die than give money to poor, black, gay, or Latin people (or some combination of the above). They absolutely would. It's a feature not a bug and we have EVIDENCE they would this year.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Nov 27th 2020 at 1:02:47 AM

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#341484: Nov 27th 2020 at 1:02:12 PM

[up]x5 This is coming from a man who has used Twitter even before running for presidency to insult, mock, attack, or even threaten others whom he thought was nasty to him. If he gets Twitter banned, he loses his favorite app.

Edited by clemont107 on Nov 27th 2020 at 4:02:31 AM

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#341485: Nov 27th 2020 at 1:02:16 PM

[up][up][up] That the same episode that had her presidency busy with fixing all the problems Presidet Trump caused?

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Nov 27th 2020 at 10:02:35 AM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#341486: Nov 27th 2020 at 1:03:29 PM

[up]Yep.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#341487: Nov 27th 2020 at 1:03:30 PM

[up][up][up] It's not his favorite app anymore, so I'm sure he'll sour-grapes his way into not minding.

Edited by sgamer82 on Nov 27th 2020 at 1:03:38 AM

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#341488: Nov 27th 2020 at 1:08:05 PM

The Dems will have to start breaching out to non-Democrat voters. Those who remain doubtful about the democrats for whatever reason but aren't too high up on the Republican loyalty tree. The Dems will have to avoid catering to Republican politicians and fall for their honey trap once more. There's a difference between a Punch Clock Mook and a fanatical threat.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#341489: Nov 27th 2020 at 1:22:32 PM

There's still a lot of people who just flat out don't vote. I've tried both the carrot and the stick in turn to no avail. They did ask me to stop poking them both though.

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#341490: Nov 27th 2020 at 1:29:32 PM

With the bipartisanship, I point to Richard Mourdock, who ran for Senate in Indiana (ousting six-term incumbent Richard Lugar) as part of the 2012 Tea Party wave, and a large part of his win in the Primary can be summed up with one sentence: "To me, the highlight of politics, frankly, is to inflict my opinion on someone else." This was after saying his more famous line of "bipartisanship ought to consist of Democrats coming to the Republican point of view."

Oh, and as for why he didn't win the general election? It was because this was during the wave of the abortions-resulting-from-rape debate, and he gave this answer at the debate when asked about it:

I, too, certainly stand for life. I know there are some who disagree, and I respect their point of view. But I believe that life begins at conception. The only exception I have, to have an abortion, is in that case of the life of the mother. I've struggled with it myself for a long time, but I came to realize that life is that gift from God. And even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen.

The sad irony is, I actually respected him for that stance - I disagree with him vehemently about it, but the tone and weight with which he said it convinced me that he had genuinely given the topic some thought, and came to a conclusion that he wasn't actually all that comfortable with, which is an admirable quality.

Edited by ironballs16 on Nov 27th 2020 at 4:33:57 AM

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
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#341491: Nov 27th 2020 at 1:43:03 PM

I can't really respect anyone that can say, with a straight face, "God wanted you to get raped."

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#341492: Nov 27th 2020 at 1:47:04 PM

If you follow the line of reasoning that everything is a part of God's plan or whatever, then it's impossible to not come to that line of thinking with basically any bad thing that happens.

It's up to the people in question how they square that with other beliefs they have.

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A procrastination in of itself
#341494: Nov 27th 2020 at 1:48:08 PM

The absurdity of everything being part of god’s plan is that if a rape can be part of god’s plan then why can’t an abortion?

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#341495: Nov 27th 2020 at 1:49:23 PM

I'm more religious than not and that just raises my gorge.

At least we got rid of Joe Walsh after his comments to the same effect.

He actually became a pretty vocal T**** critic, though I can't decide if that says something good about Walsh or something bad about our soon-to-be ex.

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#341496: Nov 27th 2020 at 1:58:46 PM

[up][up]

I think it's more along the lines of In Mysterious Ways - and again, for me, it was the fact that he had put thought into that position, even if his conclusion is one I find loathsome.

Myself, I fucking hate the idea of Fatalism, since it then becomes "Wait... so why the fuck did we get kicked out of the Garden of Eden if God planned for us to eat the fruit of knowledge anyway?"

Edited by ironballs16 on Nov 27th 2020 at 5:04:53 AM

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#341497: Nov 27th 2020 at 2:04:42 PM

I love #Diaper Don and am now going to use it in my tweets. [lol]
One other place I follow politics on linked to a video that, according to them as I typically don't watch posted videos, suggests Trump has actual bowel issues, making #DiaperDon now true than Trump would want us to believe.

That said, I'm disregarding it as amusing but highly unlikely, and the first half of that is the only reason I'm sharing it at all.

Edited by sgamer82 on Nov 27th 2020 at 2:25:52 AM

Cris_Meyers reluctant author, willing misanthrope from Chicagoland (Fifth Year at Tropey's) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
reluctant author, willing misanthrope
#341498: Nov 27th 2020 at 2:21:43 PM

[up]I'd heard something about that too. A handler that worked with him on The Apprentice outed him as having soiled himself after a take.

here we go

Edited by Cris_Meyers on Nov 27th 2020 at 4:23:39 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#341499: Nov 27th 2020 at 2:38:51 PM

I don't believe in Calvinist predestination and think it's antithetical to the religion's fundamentals.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Nov 27th 2020 at 2:39:08 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#341500: Nov 27th 2020 at 2:40:45 PM

First I thought that seemed a bit non-sequitur, but that's referring to other posts, so n/m me

Edited by sgamer82 on Nov 27th 2020 at 2:41:08 AM


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