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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#34126: Oct 21st 2012 at 9:28:43 PM

Man you guys really dislike the Drones.

I'm also seeing the 'fascism' label being used, with little regard to the fact that it is an actual form of government and not just a random slur.

EDIT: And now I get the top post of a page.

It's like fate is giving me the figure.

edited 21st Oct '12 9:36:01 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#34127: Oct 21st 2012 at 9:35:38 PM

Personally, I'm not, in principle, as against them as I am against actual military invasion. However, the way they've been used is simply inexcusable. They're being used to slaughter civilians on suspicion of them being terrorists. Small wonder terrorists can find so many willing recruits.

Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#34128: Oct 21st 2012 at 9:36:51 PM

What does fascism even mean, honestly?

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#34129: Oct 21st 2012 at 9:42:10 PM

It is a form of authoritative government that glorifies war and the military, emphasizes extreme nationalism, and demonizing a minority group for the nations problems, I believe.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#34130: Oct 21st 2012 at 9:49:35 PM

[up][up]

Wikipedia has an article

It might make your head hurt.

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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ
#34132: Oct 21st 2012 at 10:05:01 PM

Jon Husted calls early voting "Un-American."

And Marco Rubio calls Equal Pay measures "Nothing but an effort to help trial lawyers.

edited 21st Oct '12 10:05:57 PM by Enkufka

Very big Daydream Believer. "That's not knowledge, that's a crapshoot!" -Al Murray "Welcome to QI" -Stephen Fry
theweirdKiddokun What a Wonderful World! from Last Place in the Race Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
What a Wonderful World!
#34133: Oct 21st 2012 at 10:05:57 PM

Well honestly the Patriot Act is still in effective(mostly). pigeon point mainly to the 4 main provision still in effect. While pigeon can blame democrats for keeping in effect however I blame the passing of the act in 2001. As for the drone strike I have no really comment.

The Reaper Games starts anew.
Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#34134: Oct 21st 2012 at 10:08:48 PM

Wait, whoa, did Johnson and Stein have an online video debate?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZAlj0r9HKM

Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ
#34135: Oct 21st 2012 at 10:09:19 PM

Todd Akin compares Claire Mcaskill to a dog

Math on Romney's military spending boondoggle

Very big Daydream Believer. "That's not knowledge, that's a crapshoot!" -Al Murray "Welcome to QI" -Stephen Fry
DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#34136: Oct 21st 2012 at 10:10:11 PM

[up][up]

So Jill is not still in jail!

...right?

[up]

Can someone please punch Akin?

edited 21st Oct '12 10:10:57 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#34137: Oct 21st 2012 at 10:12:54 PM

She and her running mate got released... after being restrained to chairs for eight hours? Link

Well, I guess she's ok now.

entropy13 Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#34138: Oct 21st 2012 at 10:13:20 PM

@deathpigeon: Quite weird though that the most "militaristic" people in the Wehrmacht (whom Hitler terms as the "Prussians") are quite reluctant to have to do anything at all with their Fascist..."colleagues" (i.e. Nazi party members, and especially the SS). And would rather that they don't have to deal with them at all even though they're the ones being glorified (since even at the peak of the SS' powers the regular military is still bigger, and the Wehrmacht is still the face of the German war machine).

edited 21st Oct '12 10:15:00 PM by entropy13

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#34139: Oct 21st 2012 at 10:13:53 PM

And ignoring judicial rulings isn't Un-American? What ever happened to the rule of law?

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
entropy13 Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#34140: Oct 21st 2012 at 10:16:22 PM

[up]Rule of law only applies if it will reinforce/support their self-interests. That's the American way, remember?

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#34141: Oct 21st 2012 at 10:17:47 PM

@Kiddo: First, powers are only effective if they are used. Obama didn't have to use the powers granted to him by the Patriot Act. Second, it received bipartisan support in 2001 and every time it was renewed. Third, it was just recently renewed in 2010, when we had a Democratic House, Senate, and President. There is no excuse for the Democratic party.

@entropy: And many military men today don't want all the glorification of the military and spending increases for defense here in the US. Fascism is not necessarily a government that came from the military, but it sure as hell glorifies the military.

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#34142: Oct 21st 2012 at 10:23:27 PM

Second, it received bipartisan support in 2001 and every time it was renewed.

Most of the time, but not every time

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#34143: Oct 21st 2012 at 10:24:05 PM

[up][up]Because glorification usually doesn't mean they get used properly. They end up fighting ideological wars and get micromanaged by demagogues.

edited 21st Oct '12 10:24:17 PM by Rationalinsanity

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deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#34144: Oct 21st 2012 at 10:26:52 PM

[up][up] Ok, not every time, but definitely the latest time, when the Democratically controlled House and Senate renewed it, and it was then signed by our Democratic President.

[up] Precisely. That was a big issue with Nazi Germany.

edited 21st Oct '12 10:27:59 PM by deathpigeon

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#34145: Oct 21st 2012 at 10:31:33 PM

Of course what really matters if how things like that Patriot Act are used. Of course its unlike that we will know the whole story.. Paranoia Fuel much?

Also the law needs a name that's more politically neutral. Assholes called it the "Patriot" Act so it was political suicide to vote against it.

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/10/21/1054801/graham-iran-talking-over/

Really worried that if Romney (or even Obama...possibly) gets in he'll take this advice. How can you think of going to war, barring a direct attack, without negotiating with the other side directly? Do they honestly not see the kind of losses (human and material) and further geopolitical implications of this kind of conflict? Hindsight is 20/20 but this one seems so obviously stupid to get into... and they keep going for.

edited 21st Oct '12 10:34:00 PM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
Gunpla is amazing!
#34146: Oct 21st 2012 at 10:34:11 PM

I'm pretty sure Akin is just saying whatever he feels like it and seeing if he can still win as some kind of sick bet he makes.

Also, I really can't figure out what are some positive Republican talking points that are moderate. I can see "trim the fat" but both sides say that (And never do it)

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#34147: Oct 21st 2012 at 10:34:16 PM

[up][up]

Its actual name is " The Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001"

[up]

Well remember people define the 'fat' differently.

edited 21st Oct '12 10:42:39 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#34148: Oct 21st 2012 at 10:34:39 PM

[up][up][up] And Obama has certainly been using the Patriot Act's powers, and it seems like he's been using it very similarly to Bush.

[up] "Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism" That was almost certainly intentional by the person or people who named the law.

edited 21st Oct '12 10:36:36 PM by deathpigeon

Aqueos Nova here from Los Angeles Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Californicating
#34149: Oct 21st 2012 at 10:42:18 PM

[up]Hey it's memorable, who want to remember the STA Stop Terrorists Act?

Or the GTFBSTFAHA Give Terrosists Fake Bombs So they Fail Absolutely horribly act?

Fun with acronyms everywhere I say!

edited 21st Oct '12 10:44:07 PM by Aqueos

Bet you didn't see that coming
Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#34150: Oct 21st 2012 at 10:43:54 PM

On the other hand, if a controversial act is named like PPACA, people just attach nicknames to it and it becomes easier to decry it.


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