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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#341051: Nov 24th 2020 at 3:56:47 PM

Yes, people who passionately love trump love Trump because he's an argument that expertise, politeness, diplomacy, compromise, and facts are relevant to being a President. They think, "If Trump is President then everything nasty and bad about myself is gold."

Him losing is nasty because they have hitched their bandwagon to these qualities completely.

Him losing means that it was all a lie.

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Cris_Meyers reluctant author, willing misanthrope from Chicagoland (Fifth Year at Tropey's) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#341052: Nov 24th 2020 at 3:57:33 PM

[up][up][up]I'm inclined to agree.

I'm not convinced a MAGA candidate without the open and brazen incompetence and hostility would be able to draw the same crowd the same way.

Edited by Cris_Meyers on Nov 24th 2020 at 5:58:32 AM

KZN02 The Master of Tediousness (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#341053: Nov 24th 2020 at 3:57:40 PM

So a "competent Trump" is an oxymoron? I guess the moron part works.

Edited by KZN02 on Nov 24th 2020 at 3:57:59 AM

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#341054: Nov 24th 2020 at 4:07:38 PM

Fortunately for them, they can just tell themselves that he didn't lose, the Democrats stole the election from him through voter fraud. So no introspection will be required as a result of this.

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#341055: Nov 24th 2020 at 4:08:35 PM

Kinda both now, as I said repeatly, trump crow and him are in this mutal parasitism typical of populism and polariziers, as long trump can give them "victories" they will remaind with him and he didnt most of all, is why he kept doing rellies.

At lot of people have this ideas that people who vote trump are someone fact resistent and will kowtow to him or any GOP just because while there is a weird parasocial relationship with trump that it cant be reasly replicate.

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KZN02 The Master of Tediousness (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#341056: Nov 24th 2020 at 4:10:22 PM

Looks like a bad few days for Parler, censorship of posts regarding the Georgia Runoffs and now the app being hacked with users' data exposed.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#341057: Nov 24th 2020 at 4:11:41 PM

One of the harshest realizations of my life was the discovery George W. Bush was a moderate Republican.

Yes, the war criminal.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Nov 24th 2020 at 4:11:54 AM

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KZN02 The Master of Tediousness (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#341058: Nov 24th 2020 at 4:13:41 PM

Something something Overton Window.

Today's conservatives becomes tomorrow's centrists.

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#341059: Nov 24th 2020 at 4:13:50 PM

He wasn't just a war criminal, but a delusional theocrat. According to reports by people who worked in his administration, he legitimately thought he was on a mission from god and couldn't be swayed otherwise.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#341060: Nov 24th 2020 at 4:15:50 PM

What im suprise os that people though he was the worst president ever and everything will be good after that.

boy, that didnt know go as planned.

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#341061: Nov 24th 2020 at 4:15:59 PM

[up][up][up][up]There's a tweet going around. Something to the tune of: "Mitt Romney has gone from being the worst Republican to the best. Without changing at all."

Edited by Cris_Meyers on Nov 24th 2020 at 6:16:44 AM

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#341062: Nov 24th 2020 at 4:19:05 PM

Romney has been one of the only republicans in the senate who hasn't humored Trump's election shenanigans at all from the beginning, probably because he can afford to do so without suffering electoral consequences.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Nov 24th 2020 at 9:19:23 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#341063: Nov 24th 2020 at 4:19:51 PM

He wasn't just a war criminal, but a delusional theocrat. According to reports by people who worked in his administration, he legitimately thought he was on a mission from god and couldn't be swayed otherwise.

I confess that I think that doesn't fly but I admit to being biased as my family knew the Bush family personally. It was weird watching the country legalize torture and the Patriot Act while my friends went off to war but just pass by portraits of dad and George H.W. hanging out.

Frankly, I think people who believe the above don't understand how religion intersects with vocation in the South.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Nov 24th 2020 at 4:20:15 AM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#341064: Nov 24th 2020 at 4:21:14 PM

Romney has been one of the only republicans in the senate who hasn't humored Trump's election shenanigans at all from the beginning, probably because he can afford to do so without suffering electoral consequences.

There's a non-zero chance Mitt could be the next Presidential candidate again depending on whether Trump is in jail, Russia, or dead from stress.

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#341065: Nov 24th 2020 at 4:24:52 PM

I mean, even back then, I don’t know if Romney was the WORST Republican. Michelle Bachmann and Rick Santorum ran for President too.

(Though compared to Bachmann, Santorum has been remarkably reasonable these past couple weeks. I suppose being a CNN contributor demands SOME level of sanity.)

Edited by KarkatTheDalek on Nov 24th 2020 at 7:26:57 AM

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#341066: Nov 24th 2020 at 4:33:34 PM

I confess that I think that doesn't fly but I admit to being biased as my family knew the Bush family personally. It was weird watching the country legalize torture and the Patriot Act while my friends went off to war but just pass by portraits of dad and George H.W. hanging out.

Frankly, I think people who believe the above don't understand how religion intersects with vocation in the South.

The report I was talking about is from here, by the way.

In those days, I was writing a syndicated column and wrote one praising Suskind’s book as the most insightful yet on the Bush presidency. This led Suskind to seek me out to have a long telephone conversation. We were both curious about the same question: What makes Bush tick? His ideas seemed to come to him from out of the ether, with no foundation in facts, analysis, or underlying philosophy. Yet he held these ideas very strongly, unwilling to be shaken from them no matter how much evidence was presented against them.

Suskind and I were very puzzled by this phenomenon, and over the next several months we continued to talk about it, never figuring out the Bush conundrum. Suskind wrote an article for The New York Times Magazine, just before the election in 2004, summarizing our conversations. He quoted me saying that Bush’s faith was the key to understanding him: He had a “weird, Messianic idea of what he thinks God has told him to do,” I said in the article.

Continuing, I told Suskind, “This is why he dispenses with people who confront him with inconvenient facts. He truly believes he’s on a mission from God. Absolute faith like that overwhelms a need for analysis. The whole thing about faith is to believe things for which there is no empirical evidence. But you can’t run the world on faith.”

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#341067: Nov 24th 2020 at 4:43:10 PM

The way I see it, Trump wasn't beaten by Biden, he was beaten by coronavirus and himself.

To be fair, Biden was clearly running a "stand back and let Trump destroy himself" campaign, so he deserves at least some of the credit.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#341068: Nov 24th 2020 at 4:47:23 PM

@KZN 02: We've talked about the idea of a "competent Trump," and the short of it is that it's not possible. The MAGgots demand someone who makes big, meaningless promises that sound truthy, and have declared open war on all fact-based professions and the concept of facts itself. Someone who could attract that base would by definition have to be an incompetent President.

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#341069: Nov 24th 2020 at 4:53:29 PM

I don't look upon Romney favorably at all but I find the idea he could have been the worst republican at any moment in the last 4 years to be specious.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Nov 24th 2020 at 10:02:46 AM

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#341070: Nov 24th 2020 at 5:13:37 PM

@Charles, I'm not sure Romney is that viable in 2024. The Trumpists will hate his guts (and they rule Republican primaries in most states), he'll be an old and uncharismatic guy possibly up against Harris or a younger Democrat (at best he's up against an entrenched incumbent who knows how to govern), and there are personal factors at play to (his wife is terminally ill, yes she had MS back in 2012, but this will be 12 years later and who knows what her condition will be then).

Edited by Rationalinsanity on Nov 24th 2020 at 9:13:57 AM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#341071: Nov 24th 2020 at 5:16:21 PM

Winning the primary is Romney's problem.

He has a much better chance of winning the Presidency than any other Republican, though. Particularly a Trumpist.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#341072: Nov 24th 2020 at 5:18:12 PM

I find it hard to believe Romney was ever the worst Republican in the party at any point considering even before the Tea Party the Republicans also had literal segregationists and theocratic evangelicals in their midst. Them and also Mitch Mc Connell. He may be a craven slimeball, but Romney is still ideologically far away from the most fascist Republicans and thus it'd take a lot for him to be anywhere near the worst.

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Edited by AlleyOop on Nov 24th 2020 at 8:19:38 AM

ScubaWolf from South Carolina Since: Feb, 2020
#341073: Nov 24th 2020 at 6:27:55 PM

Fortunately for them, they can just tell themselves that he didn't lose, the Democrats stole the election from him through voter fraud. So no introspection will be required as a result of this.
Unlikely, when there are high profile Republicans saying Biden won. That leaves them with a mental dilemma...are those Republicans right, did Biden win legitimately? Or is Trump right, did he get cheated out of the win? Both arguments cannot exist at the same time. They can only choose one.

If they choose that Trump is right, then they can no longer trust those high profile Republicans, which may lead to some chaotic future events. But if they choose that those Republicans are correct, then Trump has been lying, which shatters that mindset of theirs that Trump has been right about everything.

Edited by ScubaWolf on Nov 24th 2020 at 9:29:28 AM

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#341074: Nov 24th 2020 at 6:28:35 PM

Romney will lose hard in the primary in 2024 should he make the attempt. He's the only Republican senator to vote for impeachment. Come on, guys, this one's a no-brainer.

Edited by CrimsonZephyr on Nov 24th 2020 at 9:29:43 AM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#341075: Nov 24th 2020 at 6:29:13 PM

So far it seems they're going with the "Republican traitor" arguments.

Roger Stone says not to vote for them as a result.

Wee!

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