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WoodyAlien3rd from Persimmon Land (Italy) Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: Omelette du fromage~
#340601: Nov 22nd 2020 at 5:56:21 AM

So how do we rationalise Trump's claims that Biden is senile and incapable of stringing a sentence together with Trump's claims that Biden personally masterminded the biggest electoral fraud scheme in US history?
It's like Anti-semitism. Jews are at the same time the scum of the earth and the evil masterminds secretly controlling the world from the shadows. Fascism 101.

Matthew McConaughey told a radio show he is considering a run for Texas governor.
Why would anyone see this as a good thing? Okay, it kind of worked with Schwarzenegger, but can people please stop being so obsessed with celebrities? It's not like, if someone is really popular and good at doing something, then they'll be automatically good in dealing with people's problems. If this year has taught us anything is that celebrities really aren't any better than regular people. They can support causes by all means, but I wish they would just know their place. (looking at you, Kanye)

(my first pagetopper and it's one of my usual weird rants. Great.)

Edited by WoodyAlien3rd on Nov 22nd 2020 at 2:57:14 PM

"Effective Altruism" is just another bunch of horsesh*t.
Mullon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#340602: Nov 22nd 2020 at 5:57:47 AM

I have a favor to ask: could someone who is paying better attention to this stuff update/organize the Trump section in While Rome Burns? Thanks.

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#340603: Nov 22nd 2020 at 6:04:34 AM

Isn't that troping real life people? I thought we were not supposed to do that.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#340604: Nov 22nd 2020 at 6:07:19 AM

So far that page still has a Real Life section.

Disgusted, but not surprised
PointMaid Since: Jun, 2014
#340605: Nov 22nd 2020 at 6:10:13 AM

I thought there was a 'No Currently In-Power Politicians' clause even on tropes which allow real life examples, or am I wrong about that?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#340607: Nov 22nd 2020 at 6:13:57 AM

[up][up]If there is, it's not in the page description itself. There are already several entries that fall under that anyway. There's one for Maduro and two for Trump. There's also one entry that mentions Australian PM Scott Morrison.

Edited by M84 on Nov 22nd 2020 at 10:16:15 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Ayasugi Since: Oct, 2010
#340608: Nov 22nd 2020 at 6:14:14 AM

He's really trying to make this Bush v Gore 2: Electric Boogaloo. And like any crappy sequel, he doesn't get what made the original happen and just thinks doing the same thing will get the same result as last time, even though circumstances have changed.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#340609: Nov 22nd 2020 at 6:17:10 AM

[up]This is also technically a second recount, since there was already an audit. And the audit was even more thorough than a typical recount would be.

Edited by M84 on Nov 22nd 2020 at 10:17:23 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#340610: Nov 22nd 2020 at 6:19:05 AM

x4[up] We already dicusssed that last page, and yes, he is unfortunately allowed to do that.

But it won't change anything, he is now just stalling for the sake of it.

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Ayasugi Since: Oct, 2010
#340611: Nov 22nd 2020 at 6:20:44 AM

I wasn't old enough to vote in 2000 so I didn't pay as close attention as I probably should've, but from what I remember, it had recount after recount. Also, according to my mother, Gore wanted specific counties only to be recounted, so. Guess we'll see if Trump tries that, too. Or if he'll just stick with trying to get specific counties thrown out.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#340612: Nov 22nd 2020 at 6:22:59 AM

Gore v Bush also involved one state with a minimal difference compared to the several thousands lead in several states that Biden got over Trump.

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#340613: Nov 22nd 2020 at 6:24:11 AM

What is the obvious reason? We're over two weeks after the election was called - how many Republicans in Congress have openly, with no takebacks, acknowledged that Biden won? I think it's like 20. And some of them are preexisting Trump-defiers like Romney who did it immediately. I'm not sure how many of the ones who didn't do it at first have come around, even though it's been obvious for days now that the lawsuits were going nowhere.

Republicans are reluctant to openly denounce Trump because the election isn't over. It's over for Trump, but the fate of the Senate hinges on Georgia's runoff. They can't tell Trump to eat shit; they need his voters, not in two years but right goddamn now.

The GOP knows that Trump's time is over, but they have to secure Mitch's ability to obstruct Biden before they can start saying it openly. If Trump turns on them now, Georgia's two Senate seats are as good as ours.

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PointMaid Since: Jun, 2014
#340614: Nov 22nd 2020 at 6:24:48 AM

Okay, I found the a very relevant thread re: Trump and ROCJ; the top sticky note seems to contain the relevant info. It does imply that I'm mostly right about no current politicians, except for a few exceptions — which I don't think any of the current real life political examples under While Rome Burns would pass the test for.

ScubaWolf from South Carolina Since: Feb, 2020
#340615: Nov 22nd 2020 at 6:25:58 AM

On Congress not certifying the results in January. That would be shooting themselves in the foot. All previous Senators and Representatives who were not re-elected leave, as does the president. All not certifying would do is guarantee that Mitch has to leave the Senate, something he knows full well could happen if they try to fight it.

Him wanting peaceful transition is because he knows, if the certification doesn't happen, a bunch of Republican seats are suddenly empty, Pelosi becomes President, and the Democrats basically have full reign while it's sorted out. It's in Mitch's best interests to make sure there are no snags, and Lindsey trying to help cause one could screw them over. I have no doubts Mitch is probably telling Lindsey to knock it off, for his own job's sake.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#340616: Nov 22nd 2020 at 6:31:12 AM

[up][up]That said, one might argue that he's not going to be a relevant current politician for much longer.

Edited by M84 on Nov 22nd 2020 at 10:31:49 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#340617: Nov 22nd 2020 at 6:34:35 AM

The Atlantic has a very interesting article on people of color who voted for Trump:

"In the same way, Black people today may hear Trump claim, bizarrely, that he has done more for African Americans than any previous president, read about the segregationist practices of his and his father’s real-estate properties back in the day, and note that Trump is especially given to calling Black public figures “unintelligent”—and yet still decide that his agenda otherwise appeals enough that they will vote for him even if he wouldn’t quite respect them as individuals. A Latino person can know that Trump referred to immigrants from Mexico as “rapists” but still feel that Trump’s jobs record is more important than his racist sentiments. Unfond memories of life under leftist or socialist leaders such as Fidel Castro may, as it were, trump Trump’s racism in their eyes. After all, before the pandemic, the economy really was humming along in a way that materially affected American lives for the better."

and

"Progressives may suppose that, now that the country has come so far in recognizing the backwardness of racism, Americans can afford to be more exacting. And racism is indeed a gruesome reality that an enlightened America must get past as much as possible. However, there is a difference between embracing this goal as one among many and treating it as a religiously tinged mic-drop concern. Black or Latino Trump voters may know quite well that racism exists, or that Trump is racist, yet not prioritize it to the degree that the woke consensus assumes any sensible person would."

Finally: "The lesson here is that the identitarian left must not labor under the impression that all Black and brown people share their sense of racism as an ultimate deal breaker. Coalition building of the kind that will win future elections will require them to hold their noses and understand that to many perfectly sane people of color, policy matters more than rhetorical virtue on race and racism."

IOW: Specific Trump policies may matter to them more than the struggle to overcome racism, which is a secondary, even abstract, concern to them.

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Lost in Space
#340618: Nov 22nd 2020 at 6:48:05 AM

Well, then these are awful people if they think that Trump's actual policies would be good for them or indeed for anyone.

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#340619: Nov 22nd 2020 at 6:51:16 AM

I have an alternative theory to the Atlantic article. These voters vote for Trumplax because they are Boomerang Bigots, like Uncle Ruckus.

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Mullon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#340620: Nov 22nd 2020 at 7:16:53 AM

The economy was humming along? I thought everyone was working six days a week with no benefits or job security.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#340621: Nov 22nd 2020 at 7:21:47 AM

It feels like Trumpaganda there.

It was nonsense before the pandemic helped destroy America's economy.

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#340622: Nov 22nd 2020 at 7:24:34 AM

If you’re a small business owner who gets to work your employees six days a week without giving them benefits or job security I suspect that the economy felt pretty good.

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#340623: Nov 22nd 2020 at 7:25:24 AM

Assuming that racism alone won't be enough to deter certain non-white voters is one thing (we already knew that anyway), but while they might be "sane" that still reflects negatively on them. Whether it be the kind of immigrant who climbs up the ladder and then wants to knock it down, people who insist on all children being born but care nothing for what happens to them and their families afterwards, people who only care about their wallets, etc, my opinion of them isn't particularly rosy.

carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#340624: Nov 22nd 2020 at 7:28:32 AM

[up][up]The common one I've seen around is employing 40+ employees for a 10 person job and working each maybe 8-12 hours a week on a shifting schedule to make it harder for them to have multiple jobs, and none of them qualifying for any sort of benefits. Or worse, calling them "contractors".

Edited by carbon-mantis on Nov 22nd 2020 at 10:29:23 AM

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#340625: Nov 22nd 2020 at 7:40:02 AM

The fact that more than job is barely enough at all is deeply messed up.

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