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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#340451: Nov 21st 2020 at 8:39:32 AM

Rittenhouse is no different than a Columbine shooter.

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#340452: Nov 21st 2020 at 8:49:10 AM

ooook no,the one thing they have in common is that they shot people,comparing him to the school shooter is quite frankly absurd

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#340453: Nov 21st 2020 at 8:49:48 AM

He went out with a gun to murder innocent people for fun.

I don't buy any other narrative about that monster.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Nov 21st 2020 at 8:50:03 AM

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#340454: Nov 21st 2020 at 8:57:14 AM

Rachel Maddow reported last night that PA Lieutenant Governor John Fetterman is trolling Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick. Patrick put out a $1 million bounty on credible cases of voter fraud from around the country. Fetterman attempted to claim the reward by citing two potential fraud cases in Pennsylvania: by Republicans. He asked for it to be provided in Sheetz gift cards. Patrick has apparently not responded.

Sources: Newsweek, CBS Pittsburgh


As for Rittenhouse, he's another mass murderer aided and abetted by Republican politics. Comparing him to school shooters is quite apt.

Edited by Fighteer on Nov 21st 2020 at 11:57:59 AM

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Alycus Since: Apr, 2018
#340455: Nov 21st 2020 at 8:58:46 AM

NBC News: Mississippi's Democrats look to Georgia for lessons — but face even bigger challenges. Political experts say Mississippi won't see nail-biter elections, especially at the nation level, anytime soon — thanks in part to stalled population growth.

Basically, trying to turn Mississippi blue like Georgia is a lot more difficult, as besides similar factors like voter suppression, felony disenfranchisement and large numbers of conservative white voters, MS has had very little population growth (less than 1% over the last 10 years, compared to nearly 10% in Georgia) due to people moving away to other states. And the state Democratic Party suffered from dysfunction during elections in 2019. Regardless they're not giving up and plan to reach out to voters in different ways (e.g. meeting those who voted for the new state flag and medical marijuana).

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#340456: Nov 21st 2020 at 9:01:55 AM

The biggest surprise for this election for me has been Republicans not going along with Trump's coup attempt or throwing out democracy via all his judges.

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#340457: Nov 21st 2020 at 9:02:58 AM

[up] As I've said before, it's quite likely the most incompetent coup attempt in history. This shouldn't surprise anyone as Republicans actively expel competent people from their ranks.

Edited by Fighteer on Nov 21st 2020 at 12:03:32 PM

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#340458: Nov 21st 2020 at 9:06:46 AM

As I said before, I don't think Mitch and the rest of the establishment see any problem with playing the long game. Why bother going with an open coup attempt when things are still looking up for them anyway with those House wins, control of the senate looking to be in their favor, a stacked judiciary, and proof that Trumpism is still competitive? Creating an illiberal democracy that favors them long term would probably be smarter.

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#340459: Nov 21st 2020 at 9:08:49 AM

That viewpoint is in direct conflict with Trumpism, which plays the "short game", as it were. It's going to be an interesting Pass the Popcorn moment to find out who wins.

Edited by Fighteer on Nov 21st 2020 at 12:09:23 PM

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#340460: Nov 21st 2020 at 9:16:43 AM

[up]And if the infighting between Donnie and the Republicans in Congress continues, it might not even matter because the Dems could win the Senate as a result.

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#340461: Nov 21st 2020 at 9:18:17 AM

> As for Rittenhouse, he's another mass murderer aided and abetted by Republican politics. Comparing him to school shooters is quite apt.

Going back to this a moment,I'm against comparing them because while Republican politics did contribute to both shootings,the scale of their crimes and location matters here,to my knowledge while Rittenhouse shot 3 people at a protest but the school shooters did much,much worse.

I'm probably speaking from how I felt when I heard about the shootings in all honesty

Edited by Ultimatum on Nov 21st 2020 at 5:18:40 PM

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#340462: Nov 21st 2020 at 9:20:14 AM

Well Derek Chauvin also posted bail. Not very surprising.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#340463: Nov 21st 2020 at 9:33:25 AM

I remember where I was when Columbine happened and its affect on me. So yes, that's also why I think of him that way.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#340464: Nov 21st 2020 at 9:46:24 AM

Going back to this a moment,I'm against comparing them because while Republican politics did contribute to both shootings,the scale of their crimes and location matters here,to my knowledge while Rittenhouse shot 3 people at a protest but the school shooters did much,much worse.

I'm probably speaking from how I felt when I heard about the shootings in all honesty

I'm not sure the comparison fails when the one difference between the acts is one of scale.

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#340465: Nov 21st 2020 at 10:07:34 AM

I'm just glad that we will finally have a Nice Guy in the White House instead of a Card-Carrying Jerkass come January. The fact that over 70 million people would want a Jerkass as our leader shows that we need to be better educated on what is right versus wrong. And certainly with Joe as president these mass-shooters would be less likely to actually kill, and they would not be encouraged by the president for doing so.

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TommyR01D Since: Feb, 2015
#340466: Nov 21st 2020 at 10:25:13 AM

A parody website has appeared to predict Trump's presidential library. [1]

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#340467: Nov 21st 2020 at 10:35:03 AM

[up]He doesn't deserve a presidential library, after 4 years of bullying, intimidating and harming this country. When Biden takes office I would like to see him prevent such a thing from happening.

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#340468: Nov 21st 2020 at 10:39:53 AM

He is a scar in history. Better not forget him to serve as a warning of the dangers of populism and how low the Republicans fell.

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Perseus Since: Nov, 2009
#340469: Nov 21st 2020 at 10:40:47 AM

America deserves a Donald Trump presidential library as a reminder of what they allowed to happen.

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Edited by Perseus on Nov 22nd 2020 at 5:40:58 AM

jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#340470: Nov 21st 2020 at 10:55:38 AM

What would be put in a Trump presidential library? I'm tempted to make a joke about how he doesn't read, but I get the sense that such a library might be a fascists wet dream. I went to LBJ presidential in Austin on a trip with my sister. While it was a bit soft on him I did appreciate how it still called him out about Vietnam (I do think LBJ is one of our better presidents, but Vietnam is a scar on his legacy). I could not see trump approving any sort of criticism, but also it would be somewhat laughable, with his tweets and the like...

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#340471: Nov 21st 2020 at 11:00:13 AM

America deserves a Donald Trump presidential library as a reminder of what they allowed to happen.

I mean, the electoral college is why he was President. Clinton, and Biden, got millions of more votes than Trump.

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Perseus Since: Nov, 2009
#340472: Nov 21st 2020 at 11:01:51 AM

The electoral college wasn't foisted on the country by some outside influence.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#340473: Nov 21st 2020 at 11:10:46 AM

And the Electoral College didn't force tens of millions of voters to support Trump. Or cause non suppressed voters to stay home in 2016.

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Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#340474: Nov 21st 2020 at 11:17:37 AM

[up][up][up][up] Assuming it actually gets built and isn't just used to scam more money out of his deluded followers, the Nixon Library back when it was under private control would likely be the closest point of reference. So the scandals would be ignored and whitewashed, while also being used to eternally attack his critics.

Alongside all this, one of the many issues with the refusal to transition is whether his administration will even bother giving their materials to NARA, when they can instead try to hoard it - or more likely, destroy it to get rid of any incriminating evidence.

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#340475: Nov 21st 2020 at 11:23:40 AM

For now, Trump should get his library. It's going to cost a lot of political capital to undo everything he's done, and spending it on blocking something so inconsequential seems like a waste.

People can tear it down or rename it later, once the division isn't so sore as it is now.


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