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TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#340351: Nov 20th 2020 at 9:23:01 AM

But if they hoard all the money, won't that force the country to print more money in order to cover for the losses produced by those dragon hoards and make society work at minimum, only to have that excess surplus swallowed up by the dragons and continue the cycle, until eventually, the dragon hoards are as worthless as gravel in the end?

Isn't hoarding money just an act of self-destruction for everyone involved, including the hoarder itself?

Edited by TitanJump on Nov 20th 2020 at 6:23:43 PM

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#340352: Nov 20th 2020 at 9:23:47 AM

Of course they enjoy their money. They dine at expensive restaurants, attend glitzy parties, buy houses, boats, and cars, but they also invest in stocks and bonds to keep their wealth growing.

Their consumption drives economic activity to be sure, but the wealthy save a much higher portion of their income than the poor, and those savings don't create jobs (at least not directly).

If you give a millionaire $10,000, they'll probably put it in the bank. If you give a working class family $10,000, they'll probably buy things they want or need to improve their lifestyle. The latter generates far more economic value than the former.

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#340353: Nov 20th 2020 at 9:24:04 AM

You ask that like they'd care.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#340354: Nov 20th 2020 at 9:25:52 AM

Well you become rich by saving.

My wife was confused during our early marriage because she said I was the biggest cheapskate she met despite being the son of millionaires.

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#340355: Nov 20th 2020 at 9:25:55 AM

There's also the competitive aspect. We judge ourselves by how we compare to our peers. And if our peers are also a bunch of wealthy people...

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#340356: Nov 20th 2020 at 9:29:45 AM

The smart rich person spends their money on things that are resellable assets and write offs on their taxes (like those glitzy parties).

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Isn't hoarding money just an act of self-destruction for everyone involved, including the hoarder itself?

Yes, Reaganomics has driven the country into the ground.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Nov 20th 2020 at 9:32:06 AM

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#340357: Nov 20th 2020 at 9:32:35 AM

"Well you become rich by saving."

This is untrue, or at least not the whole truth. There are a few main avenues to get really wealthy in a capitalist society:

  • Create something of unique intellectual value (a creative work, an invention) and sell it successfully. (J. K. Rowling)
  • Create a business that is valuable enough to get purchased by a bigger business. (Paypal)
  • Become a member of a high-value profession (athletic star, film star, lawyer, money manager, corporate executive) and then reach the top percentile of that profession. Market your brand.
  • Get in on a growth stock early. (Amazon)
  • Start your own business and retain ownership of it as it becomes a successful national brand. (Elon Musk)
  • Obtain a unique position of influence and parlay it, trading favors for wealth, without getting arrested. (Politicians)
  • Be born to someone who is already wealthy. (Donald Trump)
  • Ride the coattails of any of the above.

Edited by Fighteer on Nov 20th 2020 at 12:34:43 PM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#340358: Nov 20th 2020 at 9:34:37 AM

Not quite.

Athletes in particular and also many kinds of entertainer can get rapid amounts of money that are more than any normal person will make in their lives. However, it is very easy for their fortunes to be wiped out.

You have to properly invest and sit on the money to build it into your own proper dragon hoard.

Which is, again, why Reaganomics does not work.

It's not necessarily a thing to get them to give up their money but give money regularly to the poor.

Edit:

I should note I grew up among some of the dumbest mutherfuckers on the planet in the Country Club set. They inherited their fortunes and would have run anything into the ground they put in charge of. However, they were surrounded by people who handled their money for them and they just had to let do their magic. Which is how the new aristocracy exists even when Don junior and Ivanka are the people behind it.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Nov 20th 2020 at 9:37:00 AM

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#340359: Nov 20th 2020 at 9:44:09 AM

"I mean, I think we all agree with that much. There's no such thing as eradicating all crime and evil forever definitively. It's just a matter of what you want to do about it: nothing (or actively contributing to make the problem worse, as conservatives often do), or try to minimize it as much as possible. "

I mean kinda, conservative try to do stuff but their answer is to double down in their idea of a good sociaty: educate them in the correct way and them asume people will do well, when it fail, double down on it.

In short they are kinda one trick pony, which is a diferent of liberals who in theory and sometimes in pratice are kinda try to improve current pratice to do something.

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#340360: Nov 20th 2020 at 9:46:25 AM

Back to something more on topic: Trump's lawyers royally screwed up his case by listing Minnesota locations in their affidavits regarding the Michigan vote.

If they had a leg to stand on before (unlikely), they really don't now.

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#340361: Nov 20th 2020 at 10:05:18 AM

Not sure I trust that site, though, given that the entire article holds the premise "voter fraud is common in blue areas and Trump has a case".

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#340362: Nov 20th 2020 at 10:07:13 AM

It seems like a conservative blog.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#340363: Nov 20th 2020 at 10:10:48 AM

A conservative blog that's also pointing out Trump's peoples' idiocy.

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#340364: Nov 20th 2020 at 10:12:13 AM

There is merit in the argument, "Even pro-conservative sites are saying that Trump's case is royally fucked."

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#340365: Nov 20th 2020 at 10:13:55 AM

Granted the article still tries to claim there's a lot of "circumstantial" evidence of voter fraud.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#340366: Nov 20th 2020 at 10:16:12 AM

Which nobody seems inclined to present in court.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#340367: Nov 20th 2020 at 10:16:55 AM

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/election-georgia-recount-biden-trump-b1759331.html?utm_source=reddit.com

Georgia is now certified for Biden.

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#340368: Nov 20th 2020 at 10:21:25 AM

Oh, they're presenting it all right. Its just the circumstantial evidence tends to be things like, "I saw vans that were supposed to have food for the poll workers but I didn't think they had food. MUST BE THOUSANDS OF ILLEGAL BALLOTS!"

so the judges keep being line, "... Get out."

TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#340369: Nov 20th 2020 at 10:28:29 AM

So how much has Trump's "circus of clown lawyers" cost the tax payers so far?

Considering how desperate he is when begging and whining for money from his cult while it is ongoing, that is.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#340370: Nov 20th 2020 at 10:30:27 AM

https://www.fairvote.org/faithless_elector_state_laws

FYI - here's a bunch of laws for states with Faithless Electors.

Michigan cancels the vote of them and replaces them until they vote for the candidate who won.

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#340371: Nov 20th 2020 at 10:36:21 AM

So, something that's come up in news programs, or any news commentary, is in elections, we aren't really voting for a President, we're voting for electors (the people in the electoral college).

The question I have though is, how do we vote for an elector, if (according to what I've heard) the public isn't supposed to know who the electors are?

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#340372: Nov 20th 2020 at 10:38:27 AM

All but two states award their electors to the party/candidate who receives the most statewide votes for president. The parties have picked who the electors are, and their job is just to show up and be counted more or less.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#340373: Nov 20th 2020 at 10:38:49 AM

See above.

The electors in a lot of states HAVE to vote for whoever the public selects.

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#340374: Nov 20th 2020 at 10:40:10 AM

The electors aren't secret or anything. They just don't anything particularly important so there's never much focus on them as individuals.

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#340375: Nov 20th 2020 at 10:41:24 AM

The identities of electors aren't secret, I don’t know where you heard that.

Also I believe you technically vote for a party, they have a selected slate of electors, the electors are committed to voting for a particular candidate and in many states legally bound to do so.

Edited by Silasw on Nov 20th 2020 at 6:43:11 PM

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