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AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#340251: Nov 19th 2020 at 6:41:06 PM

Do love Biden staffers calling Progressives terrorists, very cool.

Almost like all their calls about "You can push him left!" were thinly veiled lies or something.

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#340252: Nov 19th 2020 at 6:46:01 PM

[up]Jess Morales Rocketto could have phrased that sentiment better.

Disgusted, but not surprised
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
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#340253: Nov 19th 2020 at 6:46:24 PM

To give a bit more context, this is the relevant blurb:

The left wing’s publicly aggressive tactics could lead Biden to just tune them out altogether. “If all you do is escalate, then people eventually think that you’re enemies and not friends and they're like: ‘We don't negotiate with terrorists,’” said JESS MORALES ROCKETTO, a Democratic strategist who supports many of the left wing’s goals.

So it sounds like nobody in the Biden camp actually called progressives terrorists and this Rocketto woman is just speculating that such a thing could happen. Were it in the headline instead of the very beginning of the article I'd call this clickbait on Politico's part.

[down]Fixed

Edited by PhysicalStamina on Nov 19th 2020 at 9:48:14 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#340254: Nov 19th 2020 at 6:47:18 PM

[up]Jess Morales Rocketto is a Latina woman.

Edited by M84 on Nov 19th 2020 at 10:47:38 PM

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#340255: Nov 19th 2020 at 6:47:35 PM

I can’t find anything indicating that the person who said that is a Biden staffer, they’re simply identified as a “Democrat strategist” and their Twitter bio makes no reference to working for Biden (which you’d think it would if they did).

So they’re not a Biden staffer and they didn’t call left wing people terrorists, they’re a Democrat strategist who speculated that other people might call left-wing people terrorists if left-wing people act a particular way.

Edited by Silasw on Nov 19th 2020 at 2:49:01 PM

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Imca (Veteran)
#340256: Nov 19th 2020 at 6:49:32 PM

Almost like the thinly veiled lies are coming from the other direction or something.

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#340257: Nov 19th 2020 at 6:49:51 PM

Like it or not, the phrase has entered common parlance as shorthand for "we don't respond to aggressive demands". She's also clearly describing what could happen in public opinion if escalation continues, not actually calling progressives terrorists.

Edited by RedSavant on Nov 19th 2020 at 9:50:09 AM

It's been fun.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#340258: Nov 19th 2020 at 6:51:41 PM

Yeah, claiming that she called progressives terrorists is hugely misleading and anyone who seriously is pushing the narrative that she is is being deliberately inflammatory.

She's just voicing a personal fear that progressives adopting excessively militant rhetoric might cause some overly sensitive people to have kneejerk reactions to them, and that it's as much of a Take That! at the latter as it is at progressives, assuming she's even taking a swipe at progressives at all.

At the most uncharitable it could be seen as a piece of respectability politics, but at the same time it's also got a point in taking a swipe at the kinds of ideological purists who want everything or nothing at all to the point that they're on a path towards accelerationism.

Edited by AlleyOop on Nov 19th 2020 at 10:02:01 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#340259: Nov 19th 2020 at 6:51:51 PM

[up][up][up][up]The article even notes that she supports many of the left wing's goals.

Edited by M84 on Nov 19th 2020 at 10:51:59 PM

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#340260: Nov 19th 2020 at 6:52:00 PM

It's also worth keeping in mind that Biden has already made concessions to progressives. Some of that will remain to be seen if he will implement or be able to implement depending upon senate control, but they are still on record as things he has said.

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#340261: Nov 19th 2020 at 6:53:00 PM

But yeah, that they picked that bit to highlight of all things is, to put it as charitably as possible, irresponsible reporting.

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#340262: Nov 19th 2020 at 6:53:56 PM

It's definitely irresponsible reporting, but also, if you don't want to be called an extremist, don't make absolute demands. Acknowledge that systems of government are built on compromise.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#340263: Nov 19th 2020 at 6:54:48 PM

It's definitely irresponsible reporting, but also, if you don't want to be called an extremist, don't make absolute demands. Acknowledge that systems of government are built on compromise.

That's hard when the demand is, "I don't want to die."

see Black Lives Matter and most sexual minorities.

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nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#340264: Nov 19th 2020 at 6:54:57 PM

[up][up][up]Eh. I'm considerably to the left of Biden and I don't really see anything offensive here. It's highlighted because it's a pithy-sounding quip.

Edited by nrjxll on Nov 19th 2020 at 8:55:15 AM

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#340265: Nov 19th 2020 at 6:57:40 PM

It’s highlighted because it stokes outrage and shares, which clearly works, as the sentence just got them *does count* 10+ hits on their site from this thread alone.

Edited by Silasw on Nov 19th 2020 at 2:58:02 PM

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#340266: Nov 19th 2020 at 6:57:55 PM

That's hard when the demand is, "I don't want to die."

see Black Lives Matter and most sexual minorities.

That's not really relevant to the discussion at hand, which isn't about BLM or other civil rights causes.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#340267: Nov 19th 2020 at 6:58:20 PM

[up][up]It got me to read the article, at least. If only because I figured there was probably context missing.

Edited by M84 on Nov 19th 2020 at 10:58:53 PM

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PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
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#340268: Nov 19th 2020 at 7:04:21 PM

[up][up][up]More importantly, it stokes outrage between people who are supposed to be on the same side. And we really do not need that right now.

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Alycus Since: Apr, 2018
#340269: Nov 19th 2020 at 7:17:44 PM

Yeah, I gotta say I really don't appreciate being misled like this. And I'm not just talking about Politico.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#340270: Nov 19th 2020 at 7:21:57 PM

The age of clickbaits. So many people must be rolling on their graves.

Edited by Blueace on Nov 19th 2020 at 12:22:25 PM

Wake me up at your own risk.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#340271: Nov 19th 2020 at 7:22:02 PM

32nd time as we speak. Trump lost 31 lawsuits to overturn the election results.

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#340272: Nov 19th 2020 at 7:22:52 PM

Anything they might get is minor.

Edited by Blueace on Nov 19th 2020 at 12:25:29 PM

Wake me up at your own risk.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#340273: Nov 19th 2020 at 7:25:54 PM

Wasn't that one just "your people can stand a little closer during counting"? Or am I thinking of something else?

AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#340274: Nov 19th 2020 at 7:38:26 PM

The relevant part of the article, I don't think is misleading? She literally chooses to frame Progressives pushing for too much by directly comparing it to negotiating with terrorists.

Anyway, I was under the impression she was working with Biden, even if she's not she's a Democratic strategist and I think my point still stands.

Edited by AzurePaladin on Nov 19th 2020 at 10:41:09 AM

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#340275: Nov 19th 2020 at 7:38:55 PM

Yeah I think that’s the only one they won, and it wasn’t to stand closer than election rules allowed them, just closer than COVID distancing measures allowed them. I don’t think they’ve successfully challenged any actual election related rules.

[up] Your incorrect claim that she is a Biden staffer (well multiple staffers) seems to be relevant as you included it as a key point in your post.

Edited by Silasw on Nov 19th 2020 at 3:40:16 PM

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