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#340226: Nov 19th 2020 at 4:55:40 PM

I want to post that in that Discord server with a buncha Trumpsters but I bet they're going to immediately claim biased news because it's CNN and I'm pondering if it's even worth the headache.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#340227: Nov 19th 2020 at 5:03:19 PM

That's apparently been a concern among the CIA. That Trump will sell national security secrets in exchange for foreign actors paying off his debts.

Though there was some comfort it the fact that since Trump never actually read his intelligence briefings, he doesn't know that much info to sell.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#340228: Nov 19th 2020 at 5:07:37 PM

[up][up] Make some popcorn first and just watch the show.

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#340229: Nov 19th 2020 at 5:10:33 PM

Don't go barking at rapid dogs,you'll get bitten

[up][up][up]

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#340230: Nov 19th 2020 at 5:13:00 PM

Lee Harvey Oswald tried to defect to the Soviet Union but apparently didn't know enough to be worth it.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
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#340231: Nov 19th 2020 at 5:14:01 PM

[up]X4 I doubt Trump hasn’t already sold any secrets he understood, plus I suspect that the CIA having been operating a You Didn't Ask policy on important information for a while now, if they don’t just operate one as routine with all political figures.

Edited by Silasw on Nov 19th 2020 at 1:14:16 PM

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nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#340232: Nov 19th 2020 at 5:14:16 PM

And apparently there's an actual draft resolution from (some) Michigan Republicans calling on the legislature to overturn the popular vote.

It's not a certainty yet that this will happen, but it's certainly looking like there's a whole lot more of a foundation for it being laid than there ever was in Georgia.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#340233: Nov 19th 2020 at 5:16:43 PM

Is it wrong I think the only response to that should be a riot if it goes through?

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#340234: Nov 19th 2020 at 5:17:00 PM

As the governor can veto anything they pass they’d have to try and implement it in defiance of the governor’s veto, which sounds like a real good way for Democrats to gain control of the Michigan legislature after either a riot or the national guard remove Republican lawmakers from their positions by force. Hell any electors appointed that way might be open to sedition charges.

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#340235: Nov 19th 2020 at 5:18:57 PM

[up]x2 If Georgia isn't going to do it, there's no way in the world that Michigan is gonna try unless their Republican Party really has gone off the deep end.

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#340236: Nov 19th 2020 at 5:25:38 PM

[up][up]Can governors actually veto a rogue legislature submitting its own slate of electors? What I've read previously sounds like they can't - they just submit the real electors alongside them.

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#340237: Nov 19th 2020 at 5:27:18 PM

Given that the legislature would have to pass a law to let them appoint electors directly first, trying to appoint electors would require them to break the law when their attempt to change it is vetoed.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#340238: Nov 19th 2020 at 5:33:01 PM

To legally have to right to appoint their own electors the legislature would have to pass a law, otherwise they have as much right to appoint their own electors as you do.

There’s also the fact that Evil Turtle has committed to ignoring rouge electors when he said that there will be a peaceful transition of power.

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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#340239: Nov 19th 2020 at 6:02:49 PM

McConnell has only ever committed to keeping himself in power. He's made noises about a peaceful transition because he sees the writing on the wall. If he thought he could get away with supporting a coup he would.

It's been fun.
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#340240: Nov 19th 2020 at 6:03:50 PM

I don't really trust McConnell on keeping his word on handing the election to Biden. He may change his mind and go back to defending Trump if it becomes apparent (and it probably will, even without the Dems controlling the Senate) that a Biden presidency is not good for the GOP.

[down]I think McConnell is getting very old as a Senator. Because he may only have a few years left in his life at most, McConnell would be willing to defend Trump's attempts to steal the election even if it risked his safety.

Edited by clemont107 on Nov 19th 2020 at 9:08:25 AM

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#340241: Nov 19th 2020 at 6:04:38 PM

Even in successful coups people on the winning side die, I don’t think Mitch would want to risk his own life like that even if he knew they’d succeed.

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Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#340242: Nov 19th 2020 at 6:04:48 PM

Is this something they have a decent chance of pulling off?

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#340243: Nov 19th 2020 at 6:06:47 PM

The question is not whether the GOP would do it but whether the Democrats would let them and what lengths they'd go to stop it.

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#340244: Nov 19th 2020 at 6:07:22 PM

[up][up] No, some people here just like to speculate about coups because they’re addicted to being terrified.

[up] Cory Booker has gone on the record as being willing to give his life to prevent a GOP coup, I doubt he’s the only one who feels that way.

Edited by Silasw on Nov 19th 2020 at 2:08:33 PM

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#340245: Nov 19th 2020 at 6:17:57 PM

[up] While I don't think there will actually be a coup by Donnie and Friends, I still think there will be massive riots by his supporters when Biden is inaugurated. To prevent incivility, Biden could deploy the National Guard and tear gas on the MAGA fanatics the exact same way Trump did on protesters when he went to do a photo-op earlier this year.

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#340246: Nov 19th 2020 at 6:19:05 PM

Mc Connell has only ever committed to keeping himself in power. He's made noises about a peaceful transition because he sees the writing on the wall. If he thought he could get away with supporting a coup he would.

Mc Connell seems like the type that doesn't mind playing the long game. The GOP doesn't need to stage an active coup if creating an illiberal democracy in the background via gerrymandering, voter suppression, disinformation, etc is viable. So far, all his obstruction is mostly paying off since the GOP has gained a lot of control over the judiciary.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Nov 19th 2020 at 11:20:33 AM

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#340247: Nov 19th 2020 at 6:20:27 PM

To clarify what I meant when/if I said the word 'coup': I think there is a very real possibility that the Republican-controlled Michigan state legislature will ignore the popular vote and appoint its own slate of pro-Trump electors.

I do not think this is likely to change the outcome of the election. It's the only real chance Trump has left and as such is very frightening, but the odds of it actually working seem flat-out insurmountable.

I don't think there is any chance whatsoever of an actual conventional military coup that would involve senators potentially dying. This shouldn't even really need saying, since the military leadership hates Trump and is devoutly apolitical anyway.


On an unrelated note: it sure sounds like the Democrats are finally losing patience with the GSA dragging its feet.

Edited by nrjxll on Nov 19th 2020 at 8:21:05 AM

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#340248: Nov 19th 2020 at 6:24:16 PM

I think there is a very real possibility that the Republican-controlled Michigan state legislature will ignore the popular vote and appoint its own slate of pro-Trump electors.

Which is not a coup, it's a bunch of legislators asking for the governor to have every reason to arrest them. Again, they legally have no standing to appoint electors, and if they try to do so without passing a law (a law which, of course, will be vetoed) then they're trying to illegally break election law.

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#340249: Nov 19th 2020 at 6:25:30 PM

[up][up][up]If McConnell was able to get away with corrupting the Judiciary, Biden should use his tactics against him. He should use whatever powers he has to ensure the GOP is weakened, and then staff the Judiciary back to Dem control. If the Republicans cry foul, too bad. Biden can confirm more judges than Trump if the Senate goes back to the Dems.

And if some of the "Trump judges" are too problematic, Biden should get rid of them and replace them with progressive ones entirely. All whatever it takes to ensure the GOP never wins a presidency or Congress ever again.

Edited by clemont107 on Nov 19th 2020 at 9:32:07 AM

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#340250: Nov 19th 2020 at 6:37:57 PM

I don't think there is any chance whatsoever of an actual conventional military coup that would involve senators potentially dying.

Even a legislative coup like you’re proposing risks senators dying, it’s blatantly illegal and anti-democratic (small d), we’ve got at least one Democrat senator on the record as willing to die to stop that happening.

That’s why the Michigan Republicans won’t do it, because the best case scenario for them is they get arrested, the worst case scenario is that they are either declared a sedition movement and shot by national guardsmen or an angry mob establishes a democratic majority in Michigan by outright killing enough Republicans.

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