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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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Well then you can't count them, so saying "20% of people want Trump" is simply false. By the same logic, 22% of people want Biden, so he doesn't have a majority either.
Either there's a silent Democratic majority just waiting for some kind of rallying cry ("Medicare for all!" "Break up the banks!") that we haven't found yet, or those people don't count in the electoral process and should be ignored.
Edited by Fighteer on Nov 17th 2020 at 2:42:00 PM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!""Bold of people to assume that I would risk my dignity unifying with people who don't believe in the plague as they're currently dying from it. "
Because those people leave in the same country, vote in the same country and in many case they are not going away.
As red have said, you cant separate the countr from republicans, neither just "you are all evil and always will be" because is pretty much sitting and expecting them to rot, im not saying biparship or anything or the like but that a some point, you need to mantain a semblence of unity because the left cant mantain their grip on power forever.
And Im saying this as saw polarization crush my country into nothing and see my family flee into YOUR country because of it, we are vastly overstimated how polarization works.
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You’re a better person than I am; I didn’t even bother with my mom, whom I just wrote off as being impossible to convince.
Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Nov 17th 2020 at 2:41:59 PM
My musician pageIt is also assuming that everyone who didn't vote would have voted Democratic.
Statistically, it is reasonable to extrapolate the election results to the entire population and expect the ratio of voters to stay roughly the same.
Edited by Redmess on Nov 17th 2020 at 8:42:49 PM
Hope shines brightest in the darkest timesSo how do we get those voters access to the polls? We either have to control the governments of those states or get Congress to intervene. We don't achieve that by arresting everyone in the Republican Party.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"“Crimes against humanity” is not a criminal charge in the US, nor is “not arresting people who did crimes against humanity”. This is not how the law works.
Nothing ICE has done is really illegal. That’s kind of the whole problem here, and giving the president the power to arrest anyone for no reason isn’t the solution.
They should have sent a poet.Forced sterialization is pretty fucking illegal. Even if it was legal, then that just means it's moral use whatever means you can find (legally) to punish them. Because if you have legalized kidnapping and torture then what ARE you?
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Nov 17th 2020 at 11:50:01 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.Voter registration is a state-level issue, and Congress cannot interfere directly under the Constitution. That would be thrown out by the Supreme Court, and rightly so. We need to amend the Constitution to make it a Federal issue.
You have to prove that in court. That's how the law works.
Edited by Fighteer on Nov 17th 2020 at 2:49:53 PM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"@Redmess: At best, it means they don’t have empathy for those who are suffering because of those in power, when it would take so little effort to just figure out who causes the suffering and vote against them. I don’t see that as better enough for me to respect them.
My musician pageForced sterilization is illegal under international law, which the US is not party to. It’s completely legal in the US, which is again kind of the whole problem here. What crime, then, would you suggest charging ICE with? Who specifically would be charged? “Arrest ICE” sounds nice, but it’s not a course of action that’s compatible with a democratic agenda.
You’re advocating for the Justice Department to be used as a weapon by the President, which is one of the main things we’ve been fighting against the last 4 years. If Trump doesn’t get to do it, neither do we.
Edited by archonspeaks on Nov 17th 2020 at 12:00:30 PM
They should have sent a poet.
It won't be used as a weapon by the president. All he needs to do is put somebody in there that will prosecute people for crimes committed, period. He doesn't need to tell him to do anything, let the Justice Department deal with it.
It seems like a number of posters here want to assume the worst case scenario on what we want done (which is really telling on how you view your fellow posters). No, we want this done via the law, without the President to interfere. Which means putting somebody in who will prosecute it, and then letting them go after the criminals on their own.
Edited by ScubaWolf on Nov 17th 2020 at 3:02:30 PM
"In a move surprising absolutely no one"I'm a bit galled at the suggestion that the best thing to do is to let a bunch of people who committed what would be considered war crimes if this was a war, have no repercussions because we're above international law.
The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -FighteerApparently Biden would rather get the information from people outside the Trump administration anyway because most whoever are left over there are hacks who don't know how to do their jobs to begin with.
Really we should be getting rid of that stupid Hague Extradition Act, and hell, it would also be pragmatic to us in terms of helping us purge the absolute worst of the Republican scum with it as well help out with international relations. But good luck trying to get that past a Republican-controlled Senate if we don't win both Georgia runoffs.
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I’d appreciate if you could leave the personal jabs out of this.
The problem is fairly simple one: people want ICE charged with crimes, but what crimes? Literally the entire problem here is that what they’re doing is legal, much like many of the recent murders committed by police officers.
The reality of the situation is that this isn’t a war, we probably can’t charge people under international law, and US law currently permits a wide variety of abuses. Advocating for criminal charges in the absence of a crime isn’t a practical course of action, and suggesting we should do it anyways will only cause more problems.
Edited by archonspeaks on Nov 17th 2020 at 12:10:18 PM
They should have sent a poet.This suggests that there should be a new system where the president-elect can be briefed as needed independently from the current administration. That would sidestep the sort of issues Biden has now (and other presidents apparently have had before) of the old administration being less than cooperative.
Hope shines brightest in the darkest times

Both sides got previous non voters to turn out for this election, so it's clearly not impossible. I regret not heckling my mother enough to vote, I feel like she would have had I just stayed on her case.