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DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#33951: Oct 20th 2012 at 5:41:07 PM

I believe he once said that the US should have let Detroit go bankrupt, or something like that.

Everything is Possible. But some things are more Probable than others. JEBAGEDDON 2016
Completion oldtimeytropey from Space Since: Apr, 2012
oldtimeytropey
#33952: Oct 20th 2012 at 5:43:47 PM

Even worse, he said it after they all paid back their loans and returned to profitability.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#33953: Oct 20th 2012 at 5:44:04 PM

That's as stupid as the people that think we should have let the US default on the debt.

Couchpotato20 Will kill you from Hell Since: Apr, 2011
Will kill you
#33954: Oct 20th 2012 at 5:44:07 PM

You guys post the link for the Ohio voting machine petition on your twitter, facebook or such? Gotta get that thing all filled out for an investigation.

"I don't give a rat's ass about going to hell. I guess it's because I feel like I'm already there." -Mugen
Completion oldtimeytropey from Space Since: Apr, 2012
oldtimeytropey
#33955: Oct 20th 2012 at 5:44:50 PM

To be honest, I think the voting machine things are just scaremongering. It comes up every election year since they were invented. And the type of ballot that did manage to fuck up an election was a weird style of paper ballots.

North Carolina uses a Scantron. Here's North Carolina's. It's a .pdf.

edited 20th Oct '12 5:51:16 PM by Completion

#33956: Oct 20th 2012 at 5:54:03 PM

I think the most likely scenario is a narrow Obama win where Romney retakes Florida, Virginia, and North Carolina, while Obama hangs on to Ohio and Pennsylvania. The small states New Hampshire, Colorado, and Wisconsin are all too close to call. Each candidate will almost certainly win if they pull one more of those battleground states to their side, but Obama can still afford to lose one battleground state if he sweeps the smaller toss-ups, and Romney can still win with just the three I mentioned if he sweeps the little states.

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Completion oldtimeytropey from Space Since: Apr, 2012
oldtimeytropey
#33957: Oct 20th 2012 at 5:56:18 PM

Wisconsin isn't too close to call. Obama is over the margin of error in every poll. It's not a competitive state - Romney is putting no money in that state and is not even campaigning there.

#33958: Oct 20th 2012 at 5:59:04 PM

Last time I looked, Obama only had a couple percentage points on him there, well within the margin of error.

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Completion oldtimeytropey from Space Since: Apr, 2012
oldtimeytropey
#33959: Oct 20th 2012 at 5:59:09 PM

Here's my ballot. How should I vote? tongue

PDF warning.

LooseCannon The Groose Is Loose from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jun, 2012
The Groose Is Loose
#33960: Oct 20th 2012 at 5:59:20 PM

I've heard Romney stopped campaigning in North Carolina as well.

Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me.
Completion oldtimeytropey from Space Since: Apr, 2012
oldtimeytropey
#33961: Oct 20th 2012 at 6:00:05 PM

That's because N.C. is considered in his hand now.

@Grizzly: N.C. is closer to an Obama win than Wisconsin is to a Romney win.

edited 20th Oct '12 6:03:12 PM by Completion

#33962: Oct 20th 2012 at 6:06:10 PM

[up] What polling are you looking at? The polls shown on RCP have Romney leading by 5.6% and trending upward, while in Wisconsin Obama leads by 2.8% and is trending downward.

Even worse, he said it after they all paid back their loans and returned to profitability.

As we discussed before, that's a deceptive figure. While it's true that they paid back their debts in full, the vast majority of that payment was not in cash but in GM stock, and the government paid GM well over twice what the stock trades for on the free market and hasn't since been able to sell much of the stock even at that massive loss. So in effect GM got a huge pile of money on the taxpayer's dime.

edited 20th Oct '12 6:08:09 PM by EdwardsGrizzly

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terlwyth Since: Oct, 2010
#33963: Oct 20th 2012 at 6:06:51 PM

No Wisconsin is definitely an Obama state.

It's places like Nevada,New Hampshire,Ohio,Colorado,Virginia,and Florida that are the swing states. The former three will probably go to Obama,the latter two will probably be retaken by the GOP,Colorado has all the polls confused.

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
Completion oldtimeytropey from Space Since: Apr, 2012
oldtimeytropey
#33965: Oct 20th 2012 at 6:16:56 PM

Three most recent from each state:

NC:

  • Grove 47.0 44.0 Obama +3.0
  • Rasmussen 46.0 52.0 Romney +6.0
  • PPP 47.0 49.0 Romney +2.0

WI:

  • Rasmussen 50.0 48.0 Obama +2.0
  • Grove 47.0 44.0 Obama +3.0
  • NBC/Marist 51.0 45.0 Obama +6.0

538 has N.C. more competitive by .1% - and I wouldn't consider N.C. to be competitive. It leans Romney.

edited 20th Oct '12 6:18:31 PM by Completion

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#33966: Oct 20th 2012 at 6:20:30 PM

...How about Colorado? *Is a Coloradonian myself.*

#33967: Oct 20th 2012 at 6:23:10 PM

@Completions's ballot: What is with the lack of write-in options? My libertarian friend would have a fit about that.

At least you actually have a fair number of people running. Half the offices in my district are uncontested incumbents, and believe it or not nobody is running for Soil and Water Conservation District Supervisor. Said libertarian friend tells me I should write in Ron Paul for everything. It'd be hilarious if he actually won that office.

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Completion oldtimeytropey from Space Since: Apr, 2012
oldtimeytropey
#33968: Oct 20th 2012 at 6:24:39 PM

[up][up]

  • PPP * 10/18 49.0 44.0 Obama +5.0
  • Grove 10/16 47.0 44.0 Obama +3.0
  • We Ask America * 10/15 47.0 48.1 Romney +1.1

Stars indicate that they included Gary Johnson. The margin of error of these polls are all different (unlike NC and WI) so they average to Obama +1.

[up] I never know what to do with uncontested incumbents. I usually fill in the bubble since I figure that they're doing a fine enough job to where no one wants to go against them, unless it's a legislative seat where I think gerrymandering. tongue

Also, I think N.C. has a very odd write-in law.

edited 20th Oct '12 6:28:53 PM by Completion

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#33969: Oct 20th 2012 at 6:28:30 PM

...Did any polls include Jill Stein, or were their only ones including Gary Johnson?

edited 20th Oct '12 6:32:07 PM by deathpigeon

#33970: Oct 20th 2012 at 6:29:42 PM

RCP's polling here has Obama ahead, but within the MOE, for all the pollsters except NBC. The polling for North Carolina here has Romney ahead by more than the MOE for every pollster except PPP. I guess the site you're looking at either has some polls that RCP doesn't have or is based on information from a couple weeks ago, when Romney was quite a bit worse off in both states.

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Completion oldtimeytropey from Space Since: Apr, 2012
oldtimeytropey
#33971: Oct 20th 2012 at 6:29:55 PM

[up][up]No.

[up] I use 538. They predicted the 2008 down to the single Nebraska electoral district going for Obama. RCP doesn't weigh their polls based on historical accuracy, 538 does.

edited 20th Oct '12 6:32:31 PM by Completion

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#33972: Oct 20th 2012 at 6:33:30 PM

Lame.

Anyway, thanks for sharing. :)

Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#33973: Oct 20th 2012 at 6:34:28 PM

Just got mine. Oregon's got as good a ballot as you're going to see — most notable third parties, right down to Rocky Anderson.

Not that it'll matter. The state's as full of Obamadrones as it gets. But it's the thought that counts I guess.

edited 20th Oct '12 6:36:05 PM by Pykrete

Completion oldtimeytropey from Space Since: Apr, 2012
oldtimeytropey
#33974: Oct 20th 2012 at 6:34:56 PM

[up][up] They didn't include Jill Stein presumably because Democrats are more hostile to third party candidates; meaning that she'd have a negligible affect.

edited 20th Oct '12 6:35:22 PM by Completion

DeviantBraeburn Wandering Jew from Dysfunctional California Since: Aug, 2012
Wandering Jew
#33975: Oct 20th 2012 at 6:41:58 PM

because Democrats are more hostile to third party candidates

I'd dispute that

But in general, both the Democrats and Republicans are hostile to third parties that could cost them the election. This is especially true after the Nader spoiler of 2000

edited 20th Oct '12 6:42:46 PM by DeviantBraeburn

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