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#339601: Nov 16th 2020 at 6:07:21 PM

And Trump getting elected means that the Democrats will unite under an electable candidate, not necessarily a progressive one

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#339602: Nov 16th 2020 at 6:11:52 PM

So far the only confirmed or close-to-confirmed Biden appointees we know are people who worked with him in managerial roles, right? Klain, O'Malley, and Cedric Richmond are all established campaign managers and aides whose new positions appear to be similarly bureaucratic.

Edited by AlleyOop on Nov 16th 2020 at 9:13:36 AM

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#339603: Nov 16th 2020 at 6:12:52 PM

Are there any explicitly pro-trump people on the supreme court?

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#339604: Nov 16th 2020 at 6:14:21 PM

Anyone who thinks that letting a dictator take over at the head of a populist, anti-democratic movement will lead inexorably to a glorious revolution that installs an anti-capitalist utopia is... well, "optimistic" comes to mind. More strongly, "blatantly and willfully ignorant of history".

Edited by Fighteer on Nov 16th 2020 at 9:15:20 AM

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#339605: Nov 16th 2020 at 6:14:26 PM

2020 was essentially a red wave and a blue wave colliding with each other. The blue wave was a bit higher, which is why Biden won the presidency and the Democrats held the house (and might flip the Senate by the barest of margins).

What does this imply for the overall political situation in America? Aside from it being an obvious symptom of our hyperpolarized environment...I have no idea. It's just not the sort of thing that's happened in recent memory.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#339606: Nov 16th 2020 at 6:16:50 PM

The image of a red wave brings to mind red tide. Appropriate, given that red tide is toxic.

Edited by M84 on Nov 16th 2020 at 10:17:03 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#339607: Nov 16th 2020 at 6:18:34 PM

The thing that I'm curious about is whether that high level of republican turnout is going to remain consistent going forward. 2020 was an unusual year because of covid and the tensions from Trump, so I don't know if it's going to apply to future elections.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#339608: Nov 16th 2020 at 6:20:47 PM

It is my sincere hope that the Trumpists whining about how they'll never vote again after this election stick to that.

Disgusted, but not surprised
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#339609: Nov 16th 2020 at 6:21:23 PM

[up][up]I don't think so. Trump lost the election. GOP voters finally realized who he was: a loser.

A lot of these voters may suffer a Villainous BSoD, and, if Dems are lucky, pull a Heel–Face Turn and leave the GOP.

Edited by clemont107 on Nov 16th 2020 at 9:21:50 AM

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#339610: Nov 16th 2020 at 6:21:33 PM

The image of a red wave brings to mind red tide. Appropriate, given that red tide is toxic.

I'm more thinking of a wave of blood.

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#339611: Nov 16th 2020 at 6:24:17 PM

[up][up]They haven't realized that because most of them think the election was rigged. They legit think Trump won fair and square, that they're the majority, and that some super secret elite is conspiring against him and them.

Edited by LSBK on Nov 16th 2020 at 8:25:02 AM

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#339612: Nov 16th 2020 at 6:36:50 PM

That brings the question: will Trump's attempts to discredit the election help or injure that wave of Republican voting? It could energize them just as well as it could backfire and lead to voter apathy (after all, why would you vote for an election you "know" to be rigged?).

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#339613: Nov 16th 2020 at 6:37:24 PM

Today's news in one spot courtesy of https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/2020/11/16/day-1397/

    Day 1397: "More people may die." 
1/ More than 1 in 400 Americans tested positive for the coronavirus last week. The United States surpassed 11 million reported cases Sunday – one week after hitting the 10 million mark – and the number of COVID-19 deaths now stands at more than 246,000. The seven-day average of new daily cases is more than 140,000, with 49 states trending upward. Meanwhile, governors and mayors are implementing new restrictions to slow the spread with Chicago issuing a new stay-at-home advisory, Philadelphia announcing strict new rules, New Mexico going into a two-week lockdown, North Dakota imposing a new mask mandate, New Jersey limiting gatherings, and California putting more than 94% of its population in its most restrictive reopening tier. (New York Times / Washington Post / NBC News / Bloomberg)

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/new-lockdowns-restrictions-sweep-across-country-covid-19-cases-continue-n1247919

😷 Dept. of “We Have It Totally Under Control.”

Global: Total confirmed cases: ~54,786,000; deaths: ~1,323,000

U.S.: Total confirmed cases: ~11,173,000; deaths: ~248,000

Source: Johns Hopkins University

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Live Blogs: New York Times / Washington Post / CNBC / Bloomberg / Wall Street Journal / CNN

40% of Americans are planning to participate in large gatherings of 10 or more people this holiday season despite concerns over the spread of COVID-19. (United Press International)

https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2020/11/12/40-in-US-planning-large-gatherings-for-holidays-despite-COVID-19-warnings/1161605213219/

The Third Surge Is Breaking Healthcare Workers. “Hospitals have put their pandemic plans into action, adding more beds and creating makeshift COVID-19 wards. But in the hardest-hit areas, there are simply not enough doctors, nurses, and other specialists to staff those beds.” (The Atlantic)

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/11/third-surge-breaking-healthcare-workers/617091/

2/ Trump has not attended a coronavirus task force meeting in “at least five months.” Since Election Day, Trump has reportedly ceased to actively manage the pandemic, which has killed at least 244,000 Americans, infected at least 10.9 million, and slowed the country’s economy. Instead, Trump has repeatedly and falsely claimed the election was rigged against him. (Washington Post)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-coronavirus-response/2020/11/14/61137f4c-25cb-11eb-8599-406466ad1b8e_story.html

3/ Trump’s coronavirus adviser called for Michiganders to “rise up” against Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s new COVID-19 restrictions. After Whitmer announced Sunday a three-week pause on indoor dining, Dr. Scott Atlas tweeted: “The only way this stops is if people rise up. You get what you accept.” Whitmer denounced Atlas’ call to action, saying it is “incredibly reckless.” Dr. Anthony Fauci added that he “totally disagrees” with Atlas. (ABC News / Politico / New York Times)

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/dr-scott-atlas-fire-telling-michigan-rise-covid/story?id=74234276

4/ Moderna’s coronavirus vaccine candidates is 94.5% effective, according to the early findings from a 30,000-subject trial that is still under way. The news comes a week after a similar shot developed by Pfizer and Bio N Tech said their candidate was more than 90% effective in an interim analysis. The two companies could have enough vaccine for about 25 to 30 million people in the U.S. in December, with the first doses going to the highest risk groups. Moderna’s vaccine was co-developed with Dr. Anthony Fauci’s institute. Trump, meanwhile, seeking to take credit for the vaccine news, tweeted: “For those great ‘historians’, please remember that these great discoveries, which will end the China Plague, all took place on my watch!” (New York Times / Washington Post / Wall Street Journal / Politico / Bloomberg / Politico / The Guardian)

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/16/moderna-coronavirus-vaccine-effective-436776

5/ Biden called the vaccine news “really encouraging” but warned “more people may die” if the Trump administration doesn’t cooperate and start the transition process. “We are going into a very dark winter,” Biden said. “If we have to wait until January 20th to start that planning, it puts us behind, over a month and a half,” Biden continued. Dr. Anthony Fauci, meanwhile, said it is “obvious” that the Trump administration’s refusal to begin the presidential transition is not good from a public health perspective and could stall the rollout of potential vaccines. “Of course it would be better if we could start working with” Biden’s team, adding that the “virus is not going to stop and call a time out while things change. The virus is just going to keep going. The process is just going to keep going.” (The Guardian / NPR / Politico / NBC News / Politico / Associated Press / CNN)

https://www.npr.org/sections/biden-transition-updates/2020/11/16/935478114/biden-chides-trump-for-blocking-presidential-transition-more-people-may-die

6/ Trump acknowledged that Biden won the presidential election, but then refused to concede. “He won because the Election was Rigged,” Trump tweeted, but an hour later added: “RIGGED ELECTION. WE WILL WIN!“ followed by “He only won in the eyes of the FAKE NEWS MEDIA. I concede NOTHING! We have a long way to go. This was a RIGGED ELECTION!“ Trump also continued to blame his loss on debunked conspiracies theories about the 2020 election in a series of posts that Twitter flagged for their disputed information. (CNN / Politico / Wall Street Journal / Bloomberg / New York Times)

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/15/politics/trump-biden-election/

Trump-Biden Transition Live Blogs: Washington Post / New York Times / The Guardian / NPR / Wall Street Journal / CNN / ABC News

7/ National security adviser Robert O’Brien promised a “professional transition” with the incoming Biden administration. “If the Biden-Harris ticket is determined to be the winner — and, obviously, things look that way now — we’ll have a very professional transition with the National Security Council, no doubt about it,” Trump’s national security adviser said. Trump, however, has refused to acknowledge the results of the Nov. 3 election, which he lost to Biden. He has falsely proclaimed several times on Twitter that “I WON THE ELECTION” or complained about the process. Twitter put a warning label on the tweets, noting that “official sources have called this election differently.” A growing number of top Republicans have urged Trump to start an orderly transition of power. (NPR / NBC News / Politico / New York Times)

https://www.npr.org/sections/biden-transition-updates/2020/11/16/935374786/national-security-adviser-says-it-looks-like-biden-has-won-the-election

The General Services Administration official blocking President-elect Joe Biden’s transition team from accessing government resources is looking for a new job. Emily Murphy, who is responsible for deciding when election results are clear enough to trigger a transition of power, recently sent that message to an associate asking about career opportunities in 2021. (ABC News)

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gsa-official-blocking-bidens-transition-privately-plans-post/story?id=74234794

8/ Sixteen federal prosectors assigned to monitor the 2020 election said they had not seen evidence of any substantial fraud. The assistant U.S. attorneys urged Attorney General William Barr to rescind his directive allowing investigators to pursue allegations of “vote tabulation irregularities” before results are certified, saying “the policy change was not based in fact.” (Washington Post)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/william-barr-election-memo/2020/11/13/6ed06d20-25e4-11eb-a688-5298ad5d580a_story.html

The Trump campaign withdrew a central part of its lawsuit seeking to stop the certification of the election results in Pennsylvania. Trump’s attorneys, in revised version of the lawsuit, removed allegations that election officials violated the Trump campaign’s constitutional rights by limiting observers from watching votes being counted. Trump’s campaign initially wanted 682,479 mail-in and absentee ballots to be thrown out, claiming they were processed without its representatives able to watch. Trump, meanwhile, has put Rudy Giuliani in charge of his campaign lawsuits related to the election. (Associated Press / The Guardian / New York Times / Politico / Washington Post)

https://apnews.com/article/trump-campaign-lawsuit-pennsylvania-fe4754fa7cd077d66854c724e1df91e7

Lawsuits that tried to disrupt Biden’s wins in four states are withdrawn. (CNN)

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/16/politics/lawsuits-michigan-pennsylvania-wisconsin-georgia/

9/ The Trump administration will auction off oil and gas drilling rights in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska before Biden takes office. The Federal Register posted a “call for nominations” from the Bureau of Land Management relating to lease sales in about 1.5 million acres of the refuge along the coast of the Arctic Ocean. In a reversal of decades of protections, Trump and the Republican-controlled Congress in 2017 authorized potential oil and gas development in the refuge. Biden has opposed drilling in the refuge and any sales would be subject to review by the Biden administration. (Washington Post / New York Times)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2020/11/16/arctic-refuge-drilling-trump/

10/ Chad Wolf has not been serving lawfully as the acting secretary of Homeland Security and his suspension of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program is invalid, a federal judge ruled. In June, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the Trump administration wrongly tried to shut down DACA protections, but Wolf nonetheless suspended DACA on July 28. The Trump administration, meanwhile, has renewed its effort to get Wolf confirmed before Inauguration Day. (CNN / NBC News / Axios)

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/federal-judge-rules-acting-dhs-head-chad-wolf-unlawfully-appointed-n1247848

11/ Trump is expected to order the Pentagon to reduce troop levels to 2,500 in Afghanistan and 2,500 in Iraq before Trump leaves office on January 20. The Pentagon, however, has repeatedly warned that doing so could jeopardize lasting peace in the region. There are currently 4,500 U.S. troops in Afghanistan and 3,000 in Iraq. (CNN / ABC News / Bloomberg / Washington Post)

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pentagon-expects-order-reduce-troop-levels-afghanistan-iraq/story?id=74237780

12/ Hate crimes in the U.S. rose to the highest level in more than a decade. The number of hate crime murders also hit a record high in 2019. White nationalist hate groups, meanwhile, rose by 55% between 2017 and 2019. (Associated Press / Axios)

https://apnews.com/article/hate-crimes-rise-fbi-data-ebbcadca8458aba96575da905650120d

Edited by sgamer82 on Nov 16th 2020 at 6:37:41 AM

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#339614: Nov 16th 2020 at 6:38:58 PM

Look, I'm still stuck on the fact that 48 percent of voters thought that Donald Trump would be a good choice for a second term as President. That should tell you everything you need to know about this nation. There's no "blue wave": we teeter on the precipice of the failure of democracy with every election.

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#339615: Nov 16th 2020 at 6:43:20 PM

Personally, I'd find it hilarious if the republicans just kept paying lip service to Trump while he insisted on shit-talking them for "failing" to secure him a win. Although honestly, that'd probably be bad since it would just mean the current republican establishment would get primaried and replaced with more true believers.

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#339616: Nov 16th 2020 at 7:01:32 PM

I wonder if he tries to squat in the White House and the cops have to bring him out. Will his supporters claim "Police brutality" if they have to grab his hands and drag him? Gonna look mighty odd for those guys defending shooting black people in their house while sleeping then saying "But you weren't supposed to hurt white President God!"

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#339617: Nov 16th 2020 at 7:02:02 PM

It's not gonna be the police escorting him out afaik, but the secret service.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Nov 16th 2020 at 12:02:11 PM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#339618: Nov 16th 2020 at 7:04:00 PM

Accelerationism is what destroyed communism in America, FYI. The communists were ordered by Moscow to not support the New Deal during Roosevelt's administration because if the Great Depression was ended with capitalist reform then it would prevent a Soviet-style revolution.

Black Americans, the people who were and remained pretty much the core of communism in America, more or less ended up abandoning the cause. Especially when combined with the fact that the leadership toned down calls for racial equality to support America's participation in WW 2 (after initially opposing it due to...again, orders from Moscow).

At that point, they had no credibility.

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FinestArts Vampire Mouse of Mars from The North Lands Since: Apr, 2020 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Vampire Mouse of Mars
#339619: Nov 16th 2020 at 7:48:54 PM

[up]

The response to that is generally that the public sold out and betrayed the communists to capitalist interests. There are also posts about reclaiming the term Tankie as a mark of pride, support for Mao and how he ushered in a glorious new era, and even a comment about how they need to just OWN the Holodomor citing the Red Amry needed to eat. Some of those feel like the stuff you'd get from some guy sitting in a chair on a Troll Farm, but some legit come from sites too obscure for those types to give a shit. What I find frightening is how easy it seems for them to get some people on the left to just nod along and throw support to them even when those regimes(back then and even now) would likely oppress some of them since I dunno Russia or China's stance on LGBTQA issues and race from then and now, but I can't imagine it being very progressive.

Edit: To say that they dislike Obama and consider his 8 years as president disappointing is an understatement. You'd think it was Bush Parts 3 and 4 namely with regards to things involving the housing crash, the lack of prosecution of bankers, and some stuff involving members of his cabinet coming from banking firms and/or corporations or some such thing. I'm not familiar enough with a LOT of this stuff hence asking here since by the large, you guys are SIGNIFICANTLY more reasonable

Edited by FinestArts on Nov 16th 2020 at 10:58:27 AM

ScubaWolf from South Carolina Since: Feb, 2020
#339620: Nov 16th 2020 at 7:51:35 PM

Look, I'm still stuck on the fact that 48 percent of voters thought that Donald Trump would be a good choice for a second term as President. That should tell you everything you need to know about this nation. There's no "blue wave": we teeter on the precipice of the failure of democracy with every election.
I'm going to ask a question here, and I want everybody to take note of it. How many of those voters...actually exist? The GOP has been trying to cheat this entire election and do everything they can to win. One such tactic that has been used in the past is votes coming from those who either are too young to vote, or are long since dead.
Not going to say the numbers are a conspiracy, but take that into account, and you can probably shave a few percentage points off. It may be closer to 45%. Which is still alarming mind you, but we have to take in the possibility that the Republicans, in usual fashion, cheated in an alarming way. Such a scenario would, to quote M84's sig, leave me "Disgusted, but not surprised."

Edited by ScubaWolf on Nov 16th 2020 at 10:54:57 AM

"In a move surprising absolutely no one"
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Oh, bother.
#339621: Nov 16th 2020 at 7:55:48 PM

TBF, the investigations into election fraud have already confirmed that there's no real proof of widespread voter fraud. That goes both ways.

And the GOP already played dirty, but in a (mostly) legal fashion. They stacked the deck in their favor in various ways such as disenfranchisement of voters and what not.

Individual Trump voters have of course tried stupid shit like voting twice. But that's not quite the same thing.

Edited by M84 on Nov 16th 2020 at 11:56:37 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#339622: Nov 16th 2020 at 7:58:45 PM

If that was true then all our talk about how secure elections are would be bogus. I don't doubt Republicans cheat, because we've caught them doing it before. But unless there's hard proof Republicans have been forging votes of dead people in such a mass degree that it would shave off a chunk of the popular vote margins, I don't think it's a thought worth entertaining.

Though speaking of the numbers, Trump is now closer to 47% and Biden's popular vote advantage has gone up from 5 million to 5.5 million.

Edited by Parable on Nov 16th 2020 at 7:59:21 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#339623: Nov 16th 2020 at 8:02:32 PM

It would have been pretty ironic if the investigations into voter fraud revealed massive systemic voter fraud on the GOP's front. But that wasn't the case.

Edited by M84 on Nov 17th 2020 at 12:02:47 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
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Happiness is a cup of tea
#339624: Nov 16th 2020 at 8:06:34 PM

The answer is simple: 47% of people in this nation are wastes of oxygen who would gleefully take out one of their own eyes if it meant their minority neighbor would have to go blind. Let's just hope that percentage gets lower.

Edited by astrokitty on Nov 16th 2020 at 11:06:51 AM

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#339625: Nov 16th 2020 at 8:06:39 PM

Also, holy cow, Biden was only 29 when he first entered Congress.


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