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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#339526: Nov 16th 2020 at 11:18:11 AM

Would Biden be able to reinstate the arctic preserve's protected status?

That would then tie it up in lawsuits from companies.

Edited by tclittle on Nov 16th 2020 at 1:18:34 PM

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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#339527: Nov 16th 2020 at 11:19:45 AM

Let Trump sue as much as he wants, he is only losing any legitimacy of he does.

Specially because he actually has to prove his claims in court. The more he loses, the less he can claim the election was stolen.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#339528: Nov 16th 2020 at 11:20:27 AM

All evil has to do is win once.

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Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#339529: Nov 16th 2020 at 11:21:26 AM

The last few years have done a good job of making me hate large businesses.

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#339530: Nov 16th 2020 at 11:22:43 AM

[up][up]That's not actually true. 'Winning once' here means 'getting a few hundred votes thrown out in one state'. He would need to win a whole bunch of times in a whole bunch of states in order to get anywhere meaningful.

Edited by Gilphon on Nov 16th 2020 at 2:22:53 PM

ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#339531: Nov 16th 2020 at 11:23:15 AM

Even if Trump gets the leases through and approved it'll still take time to get a viable drilling operations up and running with Biden able to revoke those permits and leases.

If I were the Oil Companies I'd not bite at the offer at all

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#339532: Nov 16th 2020 at 11:25:06 AM

I wish it were alot easier to remove corporate lobbyists from government.

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#339534: Nov 16th 2020 at 11:26:39 AM

All evil has to do is win once.

I’m not sure that particular platitude has any relevance here. Trump already has won once, and now he’s losing. Not to mention it would take way more than one court victory to swing the election.

Edited by archonspeaks on Nov 16th 2020 at 11:27:51 AM

They should have sent a poet.
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Pendrake That Guy from "Sweet Something of.... Someplace!" (Canada) Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Betrayed by Delilah
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#339536: Nov 16th 2020 at 11:38:51 AM

Lobbyists dig in harder than ticks. I mean, up here in Canada we've had longstanding American-installed Lobbyists who always fight like hell if the NDP ever gains any ground federally, because "OMG Socialism!"

They had a rather massive freakout when Jack Layton was still alive due him actually having a decent shot at becoming PM at the time.

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#339537: Nov 16th 2020 at 12:59:21 PM

Obama addresses one of the biggest political issues of our age, aka the disinformation wave.

“They are making editorial choices, whether they’ve buried them in algorithms or not,” the former president said in the interview. “The First Amendment doesn’t require private companies to provide a platform for any view that is out there. At the end of the day, we’re going to have to find a combination of government regulations and corporate practices that address this, because it’s going to get worse. If you can perpetrate crazy lies and conspiracy theories just with texts, imagine what you can do when you can make it look like you or me saying anything on video. We’re pretty close to that now.”

The former president made clear in his Atlantic interview that he does not “hold the tech companies entirely responsible” for misinformation making it harder to get Americans on the same page and listen to facts during the pandemic. He said the issue “predates social media. It was already there. But social media has turbocharged it.”

He told NPR that consumers must also take some responsibility in thinking critically about what they see on the internet.

When “you look at these information silos in Facebook and other social media and the rabbit holes that people are following, the denial of facts, the belief in wild conspiracy theories like Q Anon getting real traction, each of us have some responsibilities to start thinking carefully about not being so gullible and just accepting whatever it is that we’re seeing pop up on our phones,” he said in an interview published Monday.

Still, he pointed to social media in discussing the reasons for the political division that exists in 2020.

“But now partly because of social media and sort of the echo chamber, a lot of the people who voted for Donald Trump do not believe that in fact COVID was mishandled, contrary to the facts that now you or I might assert, those aren’t the facts that they accept,” he told NPR. “And I think that until we can start having a common baseline of facts from which to discuss the direction of the country, we’re going to continue to have some of these issues.”

ScubaWolf from South Carolina Since: Feb, 2020
#339538: Nov 16th 2020 at 1:01:56 PM

And on what charges? 'Wasting the courts time'?
Well if they're bringing fraudulent cases to the court without evidence, a judge could declare it as being Contempt of Court. That sort of thing IS up to the judge's discretion.

Edited by ScubaWolf on Nov 16th 2020 at 4:02:10 AM

"In a move surprising absolutely no one"
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#339539: Nov 16th 2020 at 1:06:42 PM

And judges could also report the lawyers' behavior to the state bar, which can then administer professional penalties that most lawyers do not want to deal with.

How many lawyers are out there who are willing to sacrifice their careers, if not their freedom, for a guy who is famous for stiffing contractors?

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
singularityshot Since: Dec, 2012
#339540: Nov 16th 2020 at 1:17:36 PM

[up]Oh but think of the free PR each of those firms is getting.tongue

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#339541: Nov 16th 2020 at 1:25:27 PM

At least some of them have lost (or almost lost) clients over it, who wants to hire a law firm stupid enough to think they’d get paid by Trump?

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#339542: Nov 16th 2020 at 1:51:24 PM

Reporting them to the bar is one thing, but there’s nothing here any of these lawyers could be arrested for. They haven’t done anything that rises to the level of criminal contempt, and it would be difficult to articulate legally that these lawsuits are being brought on a purely frivolous basis.

Besides, there’s no need to start arresting lawyers. Dealing Trump a series of public defeats will be more damaging in the long run, and won’t make Democrats seem like sore winners.

They should have sent a poet.
ScubaWolf from South Carolina Since: Feb, 2020
#339543: Nov 16th 2020 at 2:00:26 PM

[up] The judge doesn't have to be a democrat to do it. Some judges just do not like having the court's time wasted, period.

"In a move surprising absolutely no one"
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#339544: Nov 16th 2020 at 2:06:05 PM

Repressing Trump's lawyers only helps his narrative, where everyone is trying to steal the election from him.

Him going to court will have the results of actually having to prove his claims.

His base will swallow everything he says, no matter what bullshit he shits down their throats. But, for everyone else, it is more evidence of how much full of shit he is, how despite all his claims he still got represented and how none of his claims had merit.

Him losing in the courts is only make him look like a bigger loser. He won't be able to reverse the results, he won't be able to change anything and he will look like the sore loser he is.

Edited by AngelusNox on Nov 16th 2020 at 7:07:29 AM

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Mega Togekiss?!
#339545: Nov 16th 2020 at 2:13:18 PM

There's always a small chance that a judge will rule in favor of Orange Megatron, though. Especially if it was him who appointed him/her in the first place.

And I hope it doesn't happen, because if it does, Orange Megatron will feel vindicated and get closer to stealing this election. For now though I feel optimistic that he is failing for now.

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#339546: Nov 16th 2020 at 2:14:34 PM

It's already been the case that a judge trump appointed already threw out his case.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#339547: Nov 16th 2020 at 2:15:38 PM

One judge already has ruled in his favor. It's just the suite in question was so minor it's mostly gone under the radar and isn't going to change anything.

Edited by Parable on Nov 16th 2020 at 2:16:04 AM

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#339548: Nov 16th 2020 at 2:27:26 PM

The case wasn't even about votes, but observers.

Anyway all the cases really should be thrown out by the end of the week. Even if one gained traction, it wouldn't do anything, there is no concentrated narrative across multiple states.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#339549: Nov 16th 2020 at 2:45:39 PM

As far as I know, every state plans to certify the results the same way they do every other cycle. On their end, it's still business as usual.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#339550: Nov 16th 2020 at 2:50:03 PM

Bloomberg: Rep. Cedric Richmond (D, LA-2) will leave Congress to join Biden's administration. No word yet on what his role is going to be. Good for him, but I'm worried about taking a crucial vote away from the House during the early months of Biden's term. (Democrats won't lose the seat, but it'll be open for a few months).


Washington Post: Georgia's secretary of state says fellow Republicans are pressuring him to find ways to exclude legal ballots

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said Monday that he has come under increasing pressure in recent days from fellow Republicans, including Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), to question the validity of legally cast absentee ballots in an effort to reverse President Trump’s narrow loss in the state.

...

The pressure on Raffensperger, who has bucked his party in defending the state’s voting process, comes as Georgia is in the midst of a laborious hand recount of roughly 5 million ballots. President-elect Joe Biden has a 14,000-vote lead in the initial count.

The normally mild-mannered Raffensperger saved his harshest language for U.S. Rep. Doug Collins (R-Ga.), who is leading the president's effort to prove fraud in Georgia and whom Raffensperger called a "liar" and a "charlatan."

He's even getting death threats (not from lawmakers but it's still got to be horrifying).

Edited by nova92 on Nov 16th 2020 at 2:53:43 AM


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