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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#339376: Nov 15th 2020 at 4:27:39 AM

As bad as Trump is, comparing him to Hitler is still pretty unwarranted, because it diminishes Hitler's evil.

The sad thing about Trump is, for all his bad deeds, there are actually a whole lot of populists currently in power who are just as bad as him (Bolsonaro, Duterte, Orban, Putin....) and others are even worse.

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MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
#339377: Nov 15th 2020 at 4:32:09 AM

[up] Agreed. Trump is bad, but anybody who equates him to Hitler is either ignorant or a liar, to put it bluntly.

GoldenKaos Captain of the Dead City from Cirith Ungol Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Captain of the Dead City
#339378: Nov 15th 2020 at 5:20:37 AM

There are justifiable points of comparison. There are differences of course, but I also feel people overstate Hitler's competencies because he happened to be far more successful in his aims and was far more destructive in the consequences of his actions. Saying that "X is this era's Y" of any two historical figures is almost always going to be a simplistic and slapdash way of framing discussions anyway. Hitler and Trump are very similar figures - the main difference is that Hitler was an actual ideological politician operating within a liberal democracy with much weaker systems of checks and balances to safeguard that democracy, while Trump is an egomaniacal reality tv star operating within a liberal democracy with much more robust systems to keep him in check. Otherwise, they kinda have a lot in common. Sometimes even non-fascists fall down the trap of viewing the Nazis as a disciplined, efficient and competent organisation - which is literally just Nazi propaganda - and they were much closer to the Trump administration's bungling incompetence a hell of a lot of the time.

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#339379: Nov 15th 2020 at 5:22:30 AM

As bad as Trump is, comparing him to Hitler is still pretty unwarranted, because it diminishes Hitler's evil.
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Edited by sgamer82 on Nov 15th 2020 at 5:23:08 AM

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#339380: Nov 15th 2020 at 5:29:11 AM

Hitler was a bonafide politician. Trump is not. Hitler was also a great orator who managed to grow a following of his own. Trump basically latched on to what was already there.

Imagine if Trump was actually a competent politician. That would be like Hitler.

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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#339381: Nov 15th 2020 at 5:39:12 AM

Trump tweet conceding the race, technically, since it has him calling the election rigged.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#339382: Nov 15th 2020 at 5:41:27 AM

> Hitler was a bonafide politician. Trump is not

Trump is a bonafide politician too,he won an election,that's as bonafided as you can get

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#339383: Nov 15th 2020 at 5:43:11 AM

No, Trump is a businessman, but not a politician, and he won in part because he wasn't a politician.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#339384: Nov 15th 2020 at 5:47:43 AM

Nope, the moment he ran for office, he became a politician.

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#339385: Nov 15th 2020 at 5:57:05 AM

Not saying he's a good or competant politician but a politician none the less.

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GoldenKaos Captain of the Dead City from Cirith Ungol Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#339386: Nov 15th 2020 at 5:57:29 AM

Trump was not a politician up until he ran for office seriously in 2016 (he had been a political figure before as the origin of the birther movement, and also from the doomed bid for President in 2000 for the Reform Party) but I'd argue that once he clinched the Republican nomination, he was from then on, a politician. He might have ran partially on the fact that he had not been a politician before then, and the whole "outsider to the political elite" shtick and the whole "country needs a businessman to run the country like a business" malarkey, but you can't be the President (or a serious candidate for President) and not be a politician. That's dumb.

Edited by GoldenKaos on Nov 15th 2020 at 6:00:02 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#339388: Nov 15th 2020 at 6:35:56 AM

Most politicians have some experience in law having previously served as a lawyer in some way ,Trump is very different in that regard,so maybe that's where "he's not a real politican comes from"

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#339389: Nov 15th 2020 at 6:36:32 AM

[up]x2 Please post it here, I don't want to give his Twitter account views.

Edited by speedyboris on Nov 15th 2020 at 6:36:49 AM

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#339390: Nov 15th 2020 at 6:37:40 AM

[up] I'll take the hit.

From the tweet posted [up][up][up]:

He only won in the eyes of the FAKE NEWS MEDIA. I concede NOTHING! We have a long way to go. This was a RIGGED ELECTION!

Can't really say he's conceding when he literally says "I concede NOTHING!"

Edited by sgamer82 on Nov 15th 2020 at 6:39:10 AM

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#339391: Nov 15th 2020 at 6:37:47 AM

He only won in the eyes of the FAKE NEWS MEDIA. I concede NOTHING! We have a long way to go. This was a RIGGED ELECTION!

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#339392: Nov 15th 2020 at 6:38:41 AM

Also, folks here know that Weimar was a parliamentary democracy, right? You don't "win" elections in such a system and it's not the point, either; the point is to gain enough support in parliament for a coalition. And Hitler did get enough support in parliament for a coalition. You need a sufficient share of seats in parliament but that's not the same thing as "winning" as in a presidential election.

Yeah, people keep missing this but getting 40% of the vote is much more impressive in a multi-party system where there are many viable large parties than in a duopoly where you're guaranteed a certain amount of the vote because of lesser-evilism.

Hitler absolutely did gain his powers democratically, at least partially.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Nov 15th 2020 at 6:39:24 AM

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#339393: Nov 15th 2020 at 6:38:56 AM

...Oh. You were being funny. Way to give my hopes up, guys.

MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
#339394: Nov 15th 2020 at 6:40:34 AM

Trump tweets: "He only won in the eyes of the FAKE NEWS MEDIA. I concede NOTHING! We have a long way to go. This was a RIGGED ELECTION!"

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#339395: Nov 15th 2020 at 6:46:40 AM

At this point, we can assume Trump is Hulk's Evil Counterpart:

Trump: ME NO CONCEDE! ME WON BIGLY! RIGGED ELECTION!!! PUNY JOE!!!

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Reflextion from a post-sanity world (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
#339396: Nov 15th 2020 at 6:50:02 AM

Nah, more like Smart Hulk when he's angry (except that Trump is, of course, always angry).

Edited by Reflextion on Nov 15th 2020 at 9:50:48 AM

Someone did tell me life was going to be this way.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#339398: Nov 15th 2020 at 6:57:09 AM

God, will they just certify the election.

End this farce.

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Proglottid Since: Mar, 2010
#339399: Nov 15th 2020 at 7:04:14 AM

Can't do that, Trump's base would eat them alive if they went against him

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#339400: Nov 15th 2020 at 7:25:20 AM

[up][up] If Trump doesn’t get to circumvent the Democratic process then neither do we. It’s going to take as long as it takes.

Edited by archonspeaks on Nov 15th 2020 at 7:25:26 AM

They should have sent a poet.

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