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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
That and I'm seriously irritated by people treating Medicare For All as a silver bullet that will magically turn us into a progressive nation or something. A public option will get us there with a lot less trauma, and ultimately what matters is that these measures pass and get enacted. You can have the grandest ideas in the world but if they don't get enough votes, they don't happen.
Single-payer health insurance was on the table in the New Deal but dropped over defections from ... racist Democrats. Now, those racists are Republicans, but they still have a voice, and that voice says "give black people healthcare over our dead bodies". Those voices vote.
Edited by Fighteer on Nov 13th 2020 at 4:38:24 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Before we get into Progressive vs. Moderate Slamfest XXXVIII:
Adding DC and Puerto Rico as states is morally correct and also in the case of the latter isn't even guaranteed to benefit democrats anyway, more realistically they would need to fight hard to make Puerto ricans trust them and win their votes.
We already know that nuking the filibuster is likely dead in the water, as is consequently adding DC and Puerto Rico as states, so what does that leave?
Edited by PhysicalStamina on Nov 13th 2020 at 4:39:09 AM
i'm tired, my friendThere's no evidence to suggest this to my knowlege, the polling for Biden vs Sanders show that electability was the main factor that people voted for Biden, rather than policy.
"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."![]()
I was mostly talking in hypotheticals and the medium term, not the immediate future. Unfortunately, I'm not really sure what options Biden is going to have besides EO's unless the republican obstructions pisses off democrat senators so much that they say "fuck it".
Edited by Draghinazzo on Nov 13th 2020 at 6:42:08 AM
Also it's wholly possible that those Moderate purple districts that were lost underperformed on execution rather than policy - which was the thrust of AOC's initial criticism of them, after all. But this is the sort of thing you need a proper invetigation into.
"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
x5 This seems like Donnie's petty revenge on Dem states for losing the election. Does he actually have the power to enforce that?
Edited by clemont107 on Nov 13th 2020 at 4:46:51 AM
"Wow, no Mega Togekiss in Legends Z-A. Or any non-Froslass new Sinnoh Mega Evolutions. Round of applause, everybody." - DawnNorms mean nothing if only one sides adheres to them, it is foolish to play a game where only one side has to follow the rules.
That being said no Republicans will be arrested by the Biden administration. The best you can hope for is Biden for him to recognize that Trumpism grew under the Obama administration and be more aggressive in attempting to deal with the factors that created Trumpism. I think going back to normal is impossible, if the problems that created Trumpism are not mitigated, we will be back here in 4 years.
Edited by Overlord on Nov 13th 2020 at 1:59:21 AM
If Biden gives political orders to the justice department (which is what you’re implying with the idea that Republicans will be immune to arrest) he would face hell to pay from within the Democratic Party.
There is exactly one tool it’s legitimate for him to use, that’s pardons, anything beyond that would be political meddling in criminal investigation.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranNot even if it was, I'd say. Surely the president doesn't get to decide which state gets a vaccine and which doesn't. That would be insane under any president.
On another topic, how does Biden compare to Obama politically? Can we expect a similar presidency from Biden?
Hope shines brightest in the darkest timesIf anything, I could see him standing aside if the Justice Department went after the Republicans of its own volition. No need to put your own neck on the line when the feds were likely gathering and keeping track of crimes the past four years in preparation of this day.
"In a move surprising absolutely no one"As of August 7 different Trump advisers had faced criminal charges even with a justice department stacked in their favour, so I really don’t know where you’re getting the idea that Republicans don’t commit crimes from.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranEven if such a move was dejure permitted it would be defacto extremely dangerous.
Frankly, the refusal to punish Republicans who BREAK THE LAW and regularly has destroyed Democracy in America. For example, Postmaster General Dejoy should spend the rest of his life behind bars. If you don't support that, you are his accomplice in my opinion.
https://time.com/5556331/mueller-investigation-indictments-guilty-pleas/
Here's a list of the ones arrested for the Mueller Report.
What a despicable gang of criminal scum.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Nov 13th 2020 at 2:12:50 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.I'd rather have a civil war than allowing people to continue breaking the law with impunity out of fear of what their supporters might do.
If the deplorables rebel, treat them like any other armed criminal.
The Sanders people seriously need to STFU. Biden won. There is no definite evidence that "more progressive" policies would have fared better.
People are blaming leftists for down-ballot losses, you can't expect us not to respond.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangWell, they need to stop that too.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Frankly, the refusal to punish Republicans who BREAK THE LAW and regularly has destroyed Democracy in America. For example, Postmaster General Dejoy should spend the rest of his life behind bars. If you don't support that, you are his accomplice in my opinion.
I'm not talking about punishing Republicans, you specifically mentioned arresting their leadership.
Well, they need to stop that too.
I couldn't agree more, but as long as the issue is clearly ideological we're going to have to push ours.
There is a wrong way to do it, such as Jacobin calling Biden's victory "pathetic", but I don't think it's unreasonable for leftists to push leftism as a solution to our troubling down-ballot results.
One can disagree of course but that doesn't make it fundamentally illegitimate.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang

I've seen a lot of people drawing conclusions about this race before we even have all the numbers and a lot of it seems overly simplified one way or the other, usually favoring whatever conclusion the person in question already wanted(i.e "moderate democrats/progressives are causing us to lose!"). As people have pointed out, running on M 4 A in a deep blue district is different from doing that in a red-leaning or deep red one. Saying that all the people running on it won while the moderates lost doesn't automatically mean moderates no longer work as seen by Biden's victory. It's also true that Florida is looking more red-leaning thanks to the cuban vote, but they also voted for a higher minimum wage.
That's why I'm saying it's probably a more nuanced picture than some people are giving it credit for. The only thing that we can conclude at this point is that democrats could probably do a better job of reaching out to latin voters, albeit with some of those groups like cubans I think it will be extremely difficult to get a foothold.
Edited by Draghinazzo on Nov 13th 2020 at 6:38:31 AM