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MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
#339026: Nov 12th 2020 at 10:31:50 AM

Here's Shakespeare's comment on the Dunning-Kruger effect:

"Folly in fools bears not so strong a note

As foolery in the wise, when wit doth dote;

Since all the power thereof it doth apply

To prove, by wit, worth in simplicity."

Love's Labour's Lost, Act 5, Scene V.

Edited by MichaelKatsuro on Nov 12th 2020 at 7:32:07 PM

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#339027: Nov 12th 2020 at 10:44:07 AM

In fact, here's an article by Klaine in the Atlantic from January warning that Trump's dismissal of experts and scientists could make it harder to fight the coronavirus. And even that still has a bit at the closing hoping the virus might not be that bad in the end.

Klaine wasn't in the government at the time, so he had more or less the same information as the rest of us.

I remember listening to Pod Save America at the time and in the early weeks the attitude towards the virus, before we even had the name COVID, was more frustration at Trump not doing much to address it than anything else. It wasn't until individual cities started having to take more and more measures to try and stop it did everyone start realizing we were already into a pandemic.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#339028: Nov 12th 2020 at 10:46:42 AM

Then Trump actively sabotaged the efforts of governors to fight it. He did worse than nothing.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#339029: Nov 12th 2020 at 10:50:22 AM

https://theweek.com/speedreads/949542/trump-reportedly-aware-lost-election-but-putting-fight-theater

Interesting article that Trump is fighting this as theater in order to keep his base riled up for an announcement to run in 2024.

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clemont107 Mega Togekiss?! from Land of Missed Opportunities (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Mega Togekiss?!
#339030: Nov 12th 2020 at 10:52:36 AM

If he's free and alive by 2024, given both investigations into his businesses and poor health habits throughout his entire life.

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KZN02 The Master of Tediousness (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
The Master of Tediousness
#339031: Nov 12th 2020 at 10:54:33 AM

If he isn't able to run, do you think any of his children will attempt to run?

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#339032: Nov 12th 2020 at 10:56:08 AM

If they do, they aren't getting anywhere with the possible exception of Ivanka, but I don't know whether she'd want to.

clemont107 Mega Togekiss?! from Land of Missed Opportunities (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Mega Togekiss?!
#339033: Nov 12th 2020 at 10:57:23 AM

[up][up]I think Don Jr. or Ivanka would try to run if Donald couldn't, but I don't think they would be successful in winning the nomination.

I personally wouldn't mind Mary running as a Dem.

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Proglottid Since: Mar, 2010
#339034: Nov 12th 2020 at 11:01:22 AM

Or you know, this is a deliberate tactic to make the Trump cult believe their God Emperor is as cunning as they convinced themselves he is

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A procrastination in of itself
#339035: Nov 12th 2020 at 11:01:48 AM

You can run from prison, so he doesn’t have to be free.

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#339036: Nov 12th 2020 at 11:05:35 AM

'The Rallies' might be kinda hard.

And god knows what happens if he were to win.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#339037: Nov 12th 2020 at 11:12:11 AM

I'm being honest to myself that Donald is fully capable of running out the clock on his legal problems in New York. The money he's gathering now is entirely to cover his legal fees until then until he can get no prison time.

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KZN02 The Master of Tediousness (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
The Master of Tediousness
#339038: Nov 12th 2020 at 11:41:52 AM

I'm sure his followers would be willing to give Trump their money if it means he'll be able to run again.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#339039: Nov 12th 2020 at 12:10:38 PM

Trump has a lot more to fear when it comes to civil cases though. He's got a lot of loans coming due, DB is ditching him, and his foreign backers have no reason to pay him once he leaves office.

Chances are, he won't be in good financial shape come mid-late 2023. And as his reputation is largely linked to his business empire...

Edited by Rationalinsanity on Nov 12th 2020 at 4:16:27 PM

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#339040: Nov 12th 2020 at 12:18:21 PM

It seems like Obama agrees with the general take about how his presidency fired up all the racists to elect Trump.

It was as if my very presence in the White House had triggered a deep-seated panic, a sense that the natural order had been disrupted," Obama writes in the book titled "A Promised Land," according to CNN. "Which is exactly what Donald Trump understood when he started pedaling assertions that I had not been born in the United States and was thus an illegitimate president. For millions of Americans spooked by a Black man in the White House, he promised an elixir for their racial anxiety."

I don't think the term "spooked" is a coincidence.

This isn't really that surprising since Obama is a very intelligent and perceptive man, but I think this is the first time he's ever been this transparent about it.

In the book, he also specifically criticizes the RNC for picking Palin and saying it legitimized abhorrent politics within the GOP, paving the way for Trump. I think he's a bit soft on Mc Cain, personally, since he says "I think if he had the chance he'd do it differently/ I believe he did put his country first".

Edited by Draghinazzo on Nov 12th 2020 at 5:22:16 PM

vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
vicarious
#339041: Nov 12th 2020 at 12:31:24 PM

Him and Mc Cain had a lot of legitimate respect for each other apparently

And it does fit Obama’s stance on being sincere of potential bipartisanship and extolling service and fundamental trust in the system

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#339042: Nov 12th 2020 at 12:45:40 PM

Trump has a lot more to fear when it comes to civil cases though. He's got a lot of loans coming due, DB is ditching him, and his foreign backers have no reason to pay him once he leaves office.

Chances are, he won't be in good financial shape come mid-late 2023. And as his reputation is largely linked to his business empire...

I want to say these are thoughts that Trump may suffer any consequence whatsoever. Even if he does find backers among the MAGApeople, these are also noticeably running on fumes, whn there's no fracking giant behind them.

But Trump is too useful an idiot for Russian oligarchs, Megachurchers, and assorted imbeciles to let him flop.

He's too dumb to fail.

Edited by Aszur on Nov 12th 2020 at 2:45:53 PM

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
ScubaWolf from South Carolina Since: Feb, 2020
#339043: Nov 12th 2020 at 12:53:58 PM

There were a lot of things Mc Cain did I disliked, but I'll be damned if he didn't redeem himself in the end with the "NO!" vote on repealing the ACA. That got me a lot of respect for him.

Edited by ScubaWolf on Nov 12th 2020 at 3:54:15 PM

"In a move surprising absolutely no one"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#339044: Nov 12th 2020 at 12:54:46 PM

Obama's biggest failure historically is the fact he spent 6 years trying to reach across the isle, only to kept his hand slapped away each time and then 2 years fighting to avoid them tearing everything he built down.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Makir Since: Feb, 2017
#339045: Nov 12th 2020 at 1:02:25 PM

Y'know, as much as I detest Mitch McConnell, I know for a fact the only thing I will remember him by is "Bourbon. Bourbon Whiskey."

Edited by Makir on Nov 12th 2020 at 1:02:42 AM

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Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#339046: Nov 12th 2020 at 1:18:37 PM

Mc Cain was maybe the last GOP er in Congress who was only an Opponent instead of an Enemy

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ScubaWolf from South Carolina Since: Feb, 2020
#339047: Nov 12th 2020 at 1:25:18 PM

[up] At this point it could be safe to say that the Republican Party died with John Mc Cain, and the Trump Party was born in its place.

"In a move surprising absolutely no one"
KZN02 The Master of Tediousness (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
The Master of Tediousness
#339048: Nov 12th 2020 at 1:38:00 PM

Mc Cain probably got the last laugh from his grave with the Arizona votes.

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Perseus Since: Nov, 2009
#339049: Nov 12th 2020 at 1:38:03 PM

Let's not be overly charitable. The Republican Party was headed down this road long before Trump stuck his horrid nose into anything.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#339050: Nov 12th 2020 at 1:40:24 PM

[up]Yeah, it started with Reagan. If not earlier.

John Mc Cain may have done well with the ACA but he was in no way separate from the problem.

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