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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
"The military would totally still want to vote for him after he called them losers constantly and made fun of veterans, nothing weird about that".
The closest thing to an actual problem they've found that I'm aware of are like 9 ballots that were erroneously discarded in Pennsylvania, however that wasn't even intentional fraud, just someone making a mistake.
Well there you go. Those 9 votes will flip the entire election.
This signature was thumped to preserve the dignity of the moderators.There are disturbingly large amounts of people who are insistent that the mainstream media is hiding something in the DNC's favor and is brainwashing people into accepting this election as it is.
Dilbert cartoonist Scott Adams casted doubt on the credibility of government institutions and media outlets in the United States over their reluctance to report about the Republicans' allegations.
Adams is apparently trying to discredit the New York Times' frontpage headline that says there are no widespread evidence of fraud.
I'm not sure if it's their supposed anti-establishment spirit or their denial talking, but they sure love demonizing the MSM for reasons I find difficult to fathom.
Edited by Lazlo74 on Nov 12th 2020 at 8:44:42 AM
Scaled seeker
Scott Adams has been up his own ass for a while now. He's pretty much living proof of the Dunning Kruger Effect.
He also predicted a Trump landslide victory. He's clearly doesn't want to admit he was wrong. Hence the fraud accusations.
Suffice to say that I am not the least bit surprised he's saying this shit.
Edited by M84 on Nov 13th 2020 at 12:44:29 AM
Disgusted, but not surprisedAdams is a huge piece of shit and has been for a long time now.
It's as simple as "if reality isn't the way I want it to be, then there has to be sort of conspiracy involved".
Edited by Draghinazzo on Nov 12th 2020 at 1:46:43 PM
The Dunning-Kruger Effect is that sometimes, a person who is slightly-more-knowledgeable than average will believe they know even more than they do (an insufferable genius, basically). Ironically, this causes them to be (in practice) essentially stupider than someone less knowledgeable who is self-aware of their ignorance.
As someone becomes actually very knowledgeable on a topic, they tend to become more self-aware about what they don't know.
Leviticus 19:34Also trying to get them killed over dumb shit, that really didn't help.
You need to know enough to think you know more than someone else.
Edited by RainehDaze on Nov 12th 2020 at 4:50:27 PM
NBC: Asian Americans are growing fastest in Nevada. Here's how they voted
Key passages:
AAPI means "Asian American Pacific Islander"
Exit polling indicated that 58 percent of Asian American voters in Nevada supported Biden and 40 percent chose Trump.
Just under half the people questioned in AALDEF's separate exit poll of early voters in Clark County, which includes the state's AAPI center, Las Vegas, identified as Filipino American. Among those Filipino Americans, 56 percent supported Biden, while 44 percent backed Trump. Biden did better among those of self-identified Chinese descent, AALDEF found, winning 64 percent of the early vote to Trump's 29 percent, and Biden was even more successful among people of Korean and Indian heritage.
Among first-time AAP Is who voted early in Clark County, 63 percent chose Biden and 37 percent chose Trump, Vattamala said. That compared to 53 percent for Biden and 42 percent for Trump among those who had voted in the past.
Overall, 51 percent of people in the AALDEF survey identified themselves as Democrats, 36 percent identified as Republicans, 11 percent said they were not members of any party, and 2 percent said they were members of some other party.
Notably, more than half the AAPI voters whom AALDEF surveyed during early voting said they were born in the U.S., and more than half said English was their native language. Vattamala said past surveys have shown that foreign-born voters and those who have limited proficiency in English - "the very people [Trump] was trying to keep out of the country," as he put it - were more inclined to support Trump.
In Nevada, other data gathered by AALDEF suggest how AAPI voters - at least those who went to the polls early - may have been inclined to trend toward Biden.
For example, about 55 percent said they disapproved or strongly disapproved of the job Trump is doing as president, Vattamala said. Around 70 percent of those surveyed said they supported or strongly supported a woman's right to an abortion as established by the Supreme Court in Roe v. Wade. Overwhelming majorities said they support laws protecting gay and transgender people from discrimination in housing and public accommodation and want to see comprehensive immigration reform, including a path to citizenship for the undocumented.
Eric Jeng, deputy director of the grassroots nonprofit One APIA Nevada, said that based on polling and focus group conversations, his sense is that when AAPI voters consider political candidates, "home-country politics do still play a big part" that can vary by ethnic group.
Jeng said that in the Vietnamese and Taiwanese communities, for example, he gauged more enthusiasm for Trump based on their perceptions of his Asia policies. Simultaneously, however, "the anti-AAPI racism that the president stoked" motivated other Asian American voters to reject Trump, he said. The use of phrases like "'kung flu' or 'China virus' doesn't help," he said.
That is not necessarily true. You just have to think highly of yourself. "I'm a very smart person, so the assumption I invented right this second must be true. It's a logical and reasonable idea created by a very smart person. How could it be wrong?"
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Speaking of the Dunning Kruger effect, I'm a bit less positive towards Ronald Klain after seeing this tweet by him
from this past February.
For context, in the tweet, he commented that the U.S. didn't have a COVID epidemic but did have a "fear epidemic", and he praised the Mayor of New York and other mayors for keeping restaurants open.
He was far from the only person to think that way during that time, but that... kind of detracts from his bonafides as a public health expert.
And in his slight defense, it seems like the context was Chinese restaurants being promoted as push back against xenophobia.
Edited by Hodor2 on Nov 12th 2020 at 12:25:31 PM
A lot of people among the gamut of center-to-far-left were downplaying the dangers of COVID-19 and calling it just an ordinary fear of the flu for fear of reprisals against Asian Americans (not that strange that Trump started parroting something that originated as a far left talking point, the same way he tried to pin the concentration camps wholly on Biden when I originally saw that being pushed by Sanders folk), so while it was a deeply flawed mindset in hindsight, I kind of understand where that was coming from.
I actually had to mute a few people because of the constant stream of anarchist and communist tweets claiming COVID was a hoax engineered by the right to sow fear of Asian people at the time.
Edited by AlleyOop on Nov 12th 2020 at 1:31:31 PM
New York didn't get its first case until March, but even back then there was already xenophobic attacks against Asian and Asian American individuals and shunning of businesses.
And this was early February. Most of us still didn't know how bad this was going to be. Or how badly it was going to be mishandled.

EDIT: Adding to what Charles said about "insults=losing the state", guess what Trump did a couple times he visited MN? Insulted the voters for electing Ilhan Omar. Yeah, great idea! That'll get you more support!
Edited by speedyboris on Nov 12th 2020 at 8:24:24 AM