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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#339001: Nov 12th 2020 at 8:18:49 AM

George Floyd also died in Minneapolis. Bet that also killed Trump's chances.
It depends on who you ask. Right wingers were convinced that all the protests/riots/looting in downtown Minneapolis following his death would easily hand Trump the state (as he campaigned on LAW AND ORDER) but left wingers saw his killing as a failing of the very system that's supposed to protect us, and that increased support nationwide for BLM and police reform as a result of the same protests would deny him turning MN red. Turns out the latter was right.

EDIT: Adding to what Charles said about "insults=losing the state", guess what Trump did a couple times he visited MN? Insulted the voters for electing Ilhan Omar. Yeah, great idea! That'll get you more support!

Edited by speedyboris on Nov 12th 2020 at 8:24:24 AM

Lazlo74 from A tropical hell-hole Since: May, 2018
#339002: Nov 12th 2020 at 8:28:49 AM

Apparently, the evidence that the Stop the Steal crowd are bringing up now are 500+ affidavits confirming widespread election fraud... are there any credibility to those affidavits?

Edited by Lazlo74 on Nov 12th 2020 at 8:29:33 AM

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RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#339003: Nov 12th 2020 at 8:30:14 AM

Anyone can sign a bit of paper.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#339004: Nov 12th 2020 at 8:34:54 AM

Nothing these chucklefucks have come up with has had a shred of credibility. These affadavits are no exception.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#339005: Nov 12th 2020 at 8:35:44 AM

"Chucklefucks", I'll need to add that to my vocabulary.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#339006: Nov 12th 2020 at 8:36:16 AM

I was reading about it these affidavits earlier. At least one of them was, "I thought it was suspicious that Biden was getting so much of the Overseas and Military ballots."

That's hardly stable footing.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#339007: Nov 12th 2020 at 8:37:58 AM

"The military would totally still want to vote for him after he called them losers constantly and made fun of veterans, nothing weird about that".

The closest thing to an actual problem they've found that I'm aware of are like 9 ballots that were erroneously discarded in Pennsylvania, however that wasn't even intentional fraud, just someone making a mistake.

ciyinwanderer Since: Dec, 2018
Lazlo74 from A tropical hell-hole Since: May, 2018
#339009: Nov 12th 2020 at 8:41:35 AM

There are disturbingly large amounts of people who are insistent that the mainstream media is hiding something in the DNC's favor and is brainwashing people into accepting this election as it is.

Dilbert cartoonist Scott Adams casted doubt on the credibility of government institutions and media outlets in the United States over their reluctance to report about the Republicans' allegations. Adams is apparently trying to discredit the New York Times' frontpage headline that says there are no widespread evidence of fraud.

I'm not sure if it's their supposed anti-establishment spirit or their denial talking, but they sure love demonizing the MSM for reasons I find difficult to fathom.

Edited by Lazlo74 on Nov 12th 2020 at 8:44:42 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#339010: Nov 12th 2020 at 8:42:41 AM

[up]Scott Adams has been up his own ass for a while now. He's pretty much living proof of the Dunning Kruger Effect.

He also predicted a Trump landslide victory. He's clearly doesn't want to admit he was wrong. Hence the fraud accusations.

Suffice to say that I am not the least bit surprised he's saying this shit.

Edited by M84 on Nov 13th 2020 at 12:44:29 AM

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#339012: Nov 12th 2020 at 8:45:46 AM

Adams is a huge piece of shit and has been for a long time now.

I'm not sure if it's their supposed anti-establishment spirit or their denial talking, but they sure love demonizing the MSM for reasons I find difficult to fathom.

It's as simple as "if reality isn't the way I want it to be, then there has to be sort of conspiracy involved".

Edited by Draghinazzo on Nov 12th 2020 at 1:46:43 PM

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#339013: Nov 12th 2020 at 8:46:37 AM

The Dunning-Kruger Effect is that sometimes, a person who is slightly-more-knowledgeable than average will believe they know even more than they do (an insufferable genius, basically). Ironically, this causes them to be (in practice) essentially stupider than someone less knowledgeable who is self-aware of their ignorance.

As someone becomes actually very knowledgeable on a topic, they tend to become more self-aware about what they don't know.

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#339014: Nov 12th 2020 at 8:48:13 AM

AFAIK it's not about people who know slightly more than average, it's about people who know very little and as a result don't realize how much they don't actually know.

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#339015: Nov 12th 2020 at 8:48:52 AM

"The military would totally still want to vote for him after he called them losers constantly and made fun of veterans, nothing weird about that".

Also trying to get them killed over dumb shit, that really didn't help.

[up] You need to know enough to think you know more than someone else.

Edited by RainehDaze on Nov 12th 2020 at 4:50:27 PM

FluffyMcChicken My Hair Provides Affordable Healthcare from where the floating lights gleam Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#339016: Nov 12th 2020 at 8:52:31 AM

NBC: Asian Americans are growing fastest in Nevada. Here's how they voted

Key passages:

AAPI means "Asian American Pacific Islander"

Asian Americans are the fastest-growing ethnic group in the U.S. And according to the 2010 census, it is in Nevada that their numbers have been increasing the fastest.

Exit polling indicated that 58 percent of Asian American voters in Nevada supported Biden and 40 percent chose Trump.

Just under half the people questioned in AALDEF's separate exit poll of early voters in Clark County, which includes the state's AAPI center, Las Vegas, identified as Filipino American. Among those Filipino Americans, 56 percent supported Biden, while 44 percent backed Trump. Biden did better among those of self-identified Chinese descent, AALDEF found, winning 64 percent of the early vote to Trump's 29 percent, and Biden was even more successful among people of Korean and Indian heritage.

Among first-time AAP Is who voted early in Clark County, 63 percent chose Biden and 37 percent chose Trump, Vattamala said. That compared to 53 percent for Biden and 42 percent for Trump among those who had voted in the past.

Overall, 51 percent of people in the AALDEF survey identified themselves as Democrats, 36 percent identified as Republicans, 11 percent said they were not members of any party, and 2 percent said they were members of some other party.

Notably, more than half the AAPI voters whom AALDEF surveyed during early voting said they were born in the U.S., and more than half said English was their native language. Vattamala said past surveys have shown that foreign-born voters and those who have limited proficiency in English - "the very people [Trump] was trying to keep out of the country," as he put it - were more inclined to support Trump.

In Nevada, other data gathered by AALDEF suggest how AAPI voters - at least those who went to the polls early - may have been inclined to trend toward Biden.

For example, about 55 percent said they disapproved or strongly disapproved of the job Trump is doing as president, Vattamala said. Around 70 percent of those surveyed said they supported or strongly supported a woman's right to an abortion as established by the Supreme Court in Roe v. Wade. Overwhelming majorities said they support laws protecting gay and transgender people from discrimination in housing and public accommodation and want to see comprehensive immigration reform, including a path to citizenship for the undocumented.

Eric Jeng, deputy director of the grassroots nonprofit One APIA Nevada, said that based on polling and focus group conversations, his sense is that when AAPI voters consider political candidates, "home-country politics do still play a big part" that can vary by ethnic group.

Jeng said that in the Vietnamese and Taiwanese communities, for example, he gauged more enthusiasm for Trump based on their perceptions of his Asia policies. Simultaneously, however, "the anti-AAPI racism that the president stoked" motivated other Asian American voters to reject Trump, he said. The use of phrases like "'kung flu' or 'China virus' doesn't help," he said.

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#339017: Nov 12th 2020 at 9:41:26 AM

You need to know enough to think you know more than someone else.

That is not necessarily true. You just have to think highly of yourself. "I'm a very smart person, so the assumption I invented right this second must be true. It's a logical and reasonable idea created by a very smart person. How could it be wrong?"

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#339018: Nov 12th 2020 at 9:51:00 AM

I've literally seen someone use the relative lack of pro-Biden flags and signs everywhere as proof that his support can't possibly be so big so the ballots are fraudulent.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#339019: Nov 12th 2020 at 9:51:36 AM

Corey Lewandowski has tested positive for the virus.

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#339020: Nov 12th 2020 at 10:16:21 AM

[up][up][up] I don't think that's the Dunning-Kruger effect, that's just pure egotism. There's no overestimation of your abilities going on there.

[up] Who?

ITNW1989 a from Big Meat, USA Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#339021: Nov 12th 2020 at 10:17:37 AM

One of Trump's aides, known to be a commentator on Fox and OANN.

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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#339023: Nov 12th 2020 at 10:23:46 AM

Speaking of the Dunning Kruger effect, I'm a bit less positive towards Ronald Klain after seeing this tweet by him from this past February.

For context, in the tweet, he commented that the U.S. didn't have a COVID epidemic but did have a "fear epidemic", and he praised the Mayor of New York and other mayors for keeping restaurants open.

He was far from the only person to think that way during that time, but that... kind of detracts from his bonafides as a public health expert.

And in his slight defense, it seems like the context was Chinese restaurants being promoted as push back against xenophobia.

Edited by Hodor2 on Nov 12th 2020 at 12:25:31 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#339024: Nov 12th 2020 at 10:26:59 AM

A lot of people among the gamut of center-to-far-left were downplaying the dangers of COVID-19 and calling it just an ordinary fear of the flu for fear of reprisals against Asian Americans (not that strange that Trump started parroting something that originated as a far left talking point, the same way he tried to pin the concentration camps wholly on Biden when I originally saw that being pushed by Sanders folk), so while it was a deeply flawed mindset in hindsight, I kind of understand where that was coming from.

I actually had to mute a few people because of the constant stream of anarchist and communist tweets claiming COVID was a hoax engineered by the right to sow fear of Asian people at the time.

Edited by AlleyOop on Nov 12th 2020 at 1:31:31 PM

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#339025: Nov 12th 2020 at 10:31:16 AM

New York didn't get its first case until March, but even back then there was already xenophobic attacks against Asian and Asian American individuals and shunning of businesses.

And this was early February. Most of us still didn't know how bad this was going to be. Or how badly it was going to be mishandled.


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