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#338801: Nov 11th 2020 at 8:38:52 AM

Georgia will be doing an audit, recount, and recanvassing.

Edited by tclittle on Nov 11th 2020 at 10:43:00 AM

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singularityshot Since: Dec, 2012
#338802: Nov 11th 2020 at 8:41:42 AM

Do we have to debate the Filibuster again?

Well, if you can get 60% of us to agree that we shouldn't debate the Filibuster anymore then we'll stop talking about it. Until then we can talk till the cows come home.

Edited by singularityshot on Nov 11th 2020 at 8:43:21 AM

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#338803: Nov 11th 2020 at 8:53:21 AM

Saying that they should get rid of the filibuster is a bit immaterial at this point. Considering we're looking at, in the best case scenario, a tied senate with a least one democrat who's said that he's not going to vote for that.

Whether or not they should get rid of filibuster, they're not going to, so we have to look for other solutions.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#338804: Nov 11th 2020 at 9:20:49 AM

I wonder if Joe Biden should be going on the attack against Dejoy.

Where's those 300K ballots.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#338805: Nov 11th 2020 at 9:23:30 AM

Charles, do you have a source for the missing ballot incident? I've heard conflicting stories (from mainstream, reliable news sources) about that one.

Edited by Rationalinsanity on Nov 11th 2020 at 1:23:44 PM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#338806: Nov 11th 2020 at 9:26:51 AM

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2020/11/03/postal-service-blows-deadline-check-missing-mail-ballots/6149643002/

Well the Washington Post.

The U.S. Postal Service blew a court-ordered deadline Tuesday to sweep mail-processing facilities in more than a dozen states for missing election ballots that could number in the hundreds of thousands.

U.S. District Court Judge Emmet Sullivan in Washington ordered the sweep Tuesday morning after the Postal Service said its delivery performance had dropped over the past five days and could not say whether more than 300,000 ballots received in its facilities had been delivered.

The sweep was to happen in 12 postal districts, including in battleground states Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Texas and Wisconsin.

Sullivan gave the agency until 3:30 p.m. to finish the task.

The Postal Service said in its update to Sullivan at 4:30 p.m. that it was unable to conduct the sweep because it would have “significantly” disrupted its Election Day activities. Instead, the agency said, it would continue its preplanned daily review process in its 220 facilities nationwide that process ballots and would try to deliver any remaining ballots.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#338807: Nov 11th 2020 at 9:28:08 AM

Yahoo has more

https://news.yahoo.com/usps-cant-account-300-000-131231238.html

But their reaction is, "Eh, it's not so bad."

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#338808: Nov 11th 2020 at 9:31:41 AM

I desperately hope that Manchin is either lying, willing to change his mind, or willing to accept two Senators from DC who could do it for him.

Otherwise... we'd be fucked even if we take the Senate.

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#338809: Nov 11th 2020 at 9:32:26 AM

Is Yahoo a trusted source?

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#338810: Nov 11th 2020 at 9:33:26 AM

[up]x2 Can't create Douglass/Pontiac (I prefer the former name over the latter, but I am a huge fan of Frederick Douglass) if the Filibuster is still around. Puerto Rico would have a better chance and it still probably wouldn't become a State either.

Edited by DingoWalley1 on Nov 11th 2020 at 12:33:53 PM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#338811: Nov 11th 2020 at 9:35:27 AM

I desperately hope that Manchin is either lying, willing to change his mind, or willing to accept two Senators from DC who could do it for him.

Otherwise... we'd be fucked even if we take the Senate.

Yes, because he's willing to torpedo all legislation because he's against abolishing the filibuster.

This does not follow.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#338812: Nov 11th 2020 at 9:36:03 AM

Can't create Douglass/Pontiac (I prefer the former name over the latter, but I am a huge fan of Frederick Douglass) if the Filibuster is still around. Puerto Rico would have a better chance and it still probably wouldn't become a State either.

Shit, you're right.

I guess our only hope is that his position on the matter may not be set in stone.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Nov 11th 2020 at 9:38:08 AM

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#338813: Nov 11th 2020 at 9:42:59 AM

Yes, because he's willing to torpedo all legislation because he's against abolishing the filibuster.

You say that like the end result differs between the actively fighting legislation and just not abolishing the filibuster.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#338814: Nov 11th 2020 at 9:45:28 AM

Yes, because he's willing to torpedo all legislation because he's against abolishing the filibuster.

This does not follow.

It only doesn't follow if you don't know how the filibuster works.

It raises the effective vote count to win to 60 votes, we are not going to get a supermajority anytime soon. Ergo, opposing the removal of the filibuster is the same as wanting nothing to get done.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Nov 11th 2020 at 9:46:14 AM

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Lazlo74 from A tropical hell-hole Since: May, 2018
#338815: Nov 11th 2020 at 10:13:14 AM

I noticed that a not insignificant part of the Trumper crowd who supports the election fraud claims often blame the mainstream media for covering up stories about irregularities surrounding the election process or sometimes outright vilify them as a deep-state entity brainwashing the masses and undermining democracy in the USA.

Now, I understand that conspiracy theorists deny everything that challenges their narrative, but do you guys think that this antipathy towards mainstream media might have a precedent? Or are they just projecting and/or gaslighting as usual by looking for a scapegoat for their failure to justify this blame game?

Edited by Lazlo74 on Nov 11th 2020 at 10:14:57 AM

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#338816: Nov 11th 2020 at 10:27:24 AM

Manchin opposed the nuclear option being used for judicial nominees, so it does look unlikely that he’ll flip. Maybe he can be convicted to require an actual fillibuster, even if just for certain things like adding new states. We will have to see if Dems are even in a position to invoke the nuclear option.

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#338817: Nov 11th 2020 at 10:43:26 AM

Odds are Manchin has fucked us, how wonderful. How great.

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#338818: Nov 11th 2020 at 10:48:15 AM

He's hardly the only one who has committed to/heavily leaned towards maintaining the filibuster (as of now).

And if the voters in Georgia don't pull through in January, what Manchin wants or says is not relevant anyway.

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#338819: Nov 11th 2020 at 10:49:28 AM

Honestly not getting rid of the filibuster seems even more foolish when you consider how incredibly difficult it is nowadays to get a majority of democrats in the senate at all, never mind 2/3rds.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#338820: Nov 11th 2020 at 10:50:45 AM

And if the voters in Georgia don't pull through in January, what Manchin wants or says is not relevant anyway.

Yes, but if we pull through then he has guaranteed that nothing will happen. Which is unforgivable.

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#338821: Nov 11th 2020 at 10:52:22 AM

Democrats refusing to get rid of the filibuster is like playing a game and refusing to use powerful items because you believe you'll need them late even though you really need it right now. Manchin is like that, going "But what if we need the filibuster later?"

I'm pretty sure that if the Republicans saw an opportunity to remove the filibuster to make a power grab that would cripple the Democrats, they would do it in a heartbeat.

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#338822: Nov 11th 2020 at 10:56:45 AM

Manchin has said he won’t vote to remove the fillibuster, I think we will have to wait and see if that also means he won’t vote to reform it or even agree to abstain and let it happen if Democrats can either get a Republican abstention or do the vote when a Republican is absent.

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#338823: Nov 11th 2020 at 10:57:09 AM

Just the fact that removing the filibuster would self-reinforce the advantage by adding 2 permanent blue senate seats and 2 long-term likely blue senate seats makes the refusal to abolish seem bad-faith.

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#338824: Nov 11th 2020 at 10:58:43 AM

Yeah, even if all they could pass was just making D.C a state that would be a huge help in defanging Mc Connell long-term since the GOP would have to fight a lot harder in other states in order to have a majority.

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#338825: Nov 11th 2020 at 11:09:43 AM

Edited by megaeliz on Nov 11th 2020 at 2:20:27 PM


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