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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#338776: Nov 11th 2020 at 6:12:09 AM

Trump unhappy with legal team's lack of major impact on election count.

Well, what a surprise, Trump's lawyers aren't willing to put their careers on the line by lying in court for him. Because for all their trying, there just isn't any evidence to hand over, and even cases that seem somewhat promising at first fall apart pretty fast on closer examination.

It's pretty clear that this is really a media campaign masquerading as a legal campaign.

In a way, this is kind of reassuring about how robust the US election system still is, despite the best efforts of Republicans to sabotage it. Same goes for the legal system, really. Judges just aren't having all this frivolous politicking.

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HBarnill Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: All is for my lord
#338777: Nov 11th 2020 at 6:19:21 AM

I wonder how Dennis Prager’s feeling?

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#338778: Nov 11th 2020 at 6:20:37 AM

Also, a guest on Fox & Friends who's a former elections lawyer noted that while there might be fraud uncovered, it won't be nearly enough to overturn the results.

Frankly, I'm more worried about what's going on with Trump's cabinet. It's highly suspicious that he's replacing people so close to the end of his term.

Edited by speedyboris on Nov 11th 2020 at 6:22:00 AM

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#338779: Nov 11th 2020 at 6:21:50 AM

Didn't Alan Dershowitz pull a Heel–Face Turn after trying to defend Donnie?

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#338780: Nov 11th 2020 at 6:22:48 AM

My biggest concern is that Trump seems fully convinced that he can pull a victory out of this and seems completely undeterred in trying to. There's no sign he's anywhere close to conceding or us moving on. Which means months more madness as he flails about stupidly.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#338781: Nov 11th 2020 at 6:24:31 AM

Didn't Alan Dershowitz pull a Heel–Face Turn after trying to defend Donnie?

I'd question that severely given he's an Epstein "client" (and one of the child rapists), OJ's lawyer, and Trump's.

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#338782: Nov 11th 2020 at 6:56:49 AM

I think Trump is literally just not understanding how all this works on some level. Kinda makes sense, he never really understood the office in the first place.

A bit of an aside, but how is it that when I google "Trump" I get Dutch news stories, but when I google "coronavirus", I get English ones? What are you trying to do here, Google? grin

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#338783: Nov 11th 2020 at 7:01:21 AM

Filibuster should be subject to the rules of Just a Minute.

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#338784: Nov 11th 2020 at 7:04:15 AM

[up][up] To be fair (ha ha ha), this only the second time in Donald Trump's life that he's had to deal with a problem where "Scream at anybody and everybody you can so that they'll move heaven and earth to make it go away" is not a valid solution (the first being the COVID-19 outbreak)

Someone did tell me life was going to be this way.
Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#338785: Nov 11th 2020 at 7:30:20 AM

The thing is really that he has no one left to bail him out this time. He always had his dad, and later his money, and his personal lawyer, but these things cannot help him now. His entire life has revolved around failing upwards, but there is no up left, so there is only down now. What a terrifying prospect that must be for Trump. No wonder he is having a breakdown over this.

The CNN article I linked earlier has an interesting bit:

"What a campaign needs to do to staff one statewide recount, let alone multiple recounts, is overwhelming," said Benjamin Ginsberg, a top Republican election lawyer who served as national counsel to Bush's campaigns.

"Bush v. Gore was one state. We put out a call and hundreds of lawyers, political operatives and many others responded," Ginsberg said. "Even with that, it taxed the Party to its limits to do just one state. It is at best unproven that the Trump campaign can command the sort of infrastructure they would really need to pull this off."

I think that is a part that is being overlooked about these lawsuits. It's not just that there is barely any actual evidence: the problem for Trump is also that this is an extremely difficult thing to pull off in general, in multiple states, and his administration is just not capable of pulling it off, partly due to his own predilection for appointing loyalists rather than capable staff. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

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Alphatater Since: May, 2020
#338786: Nov 11th 2020 at 7:35:58 AM

The longer Trump can keep up the pretense that his court shenanigans have a chance of affecting the outcome of the election, the longer he can scam his supporters into paying off his substantial campaign debt.

ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#338787: Nov 11th 2020 at 7:36:10 AM

And the GOP as a whole will not help Trump, again in FL 2000 it was one state with a few hundred votes and confusion on how the votes should and should not be counted. It was a 'winnable' situation and worth the huge amount of time and money.

This is at least 4 states with larger margins, clearer ballots and no wiggle room. Its no wonder the GOP is going "Welp, you are on your own there Trump" Its at least 20-30 million in recount costs ALONE before you factor in the 500 or so lawyers and legal teams you need on top of that.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#338788: Nov 11th 2020 at 7:39:04 AM

And the central point of failure seems to be, once again, Jared Kushner.

Why Trump puts so much stock in this guy is really beyond me. This goes well beyond nepotism and straight into pure idiocy on Trump's part. Never mind the nepotism, Kushner is just plain incapable of benefiting Trump.

Or maybe Kushner is just that good in selling himself to Trump. Which would be deeply ironic, considering that that is Trump's entire shtick: making himself out to be something that he isn't.

Edited by Redmess on Nov 11th 2020 at 4:41:34 PM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#338789: Nov 11th 2020 at 7:41:09 AM

Well the issue is not whether Trump can do it because it's legal. The issue is whether Trump can do it because he's willing to break the law and dare anyone to call him on it.

Trump got away with what he did in the Ukraine because of willingness to ignore the law.

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#338790: Nov 11th 2020 at 7:42:04 AM

Donald Trump clearly thinks of Jared as the son he wished he had.

Yes, I know Donald has three sons of his own. Though I sometimes wonder if Donald himself remembers them.

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#338791: Nov 11th 2020 at 7:43:53 AM

[up] Considering his two adult sons are dumb as bricks, I assume he's disappointed in them - which is of course hypocritical because he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed either.

Apples and trees and all that.

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#338792: Nov 11th 2020 at 7:45:05 AM

Yes, but his lawyers seem much less willing to lie to court for him this time around. And that makes sense, since there are hundreds of lawyers involved, and Trump can't possibly have that sort of influence over them all. The vast majority of his legal team are just run of the mill lawyers who are absolutely not willing to risk their bar credentials, let alone perjury charges, for Trump. They will twist the truth to try to make something out of nothing, but when asked point blank by a judge to tell the truth, with said judge signalling to them loud and clear their careers are on the line, those lawyers cave and tell the truth.

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#338793: Nov 11th 2020 at 7:45:05 AM

[up][up][up]It's possible that Don is suffering from dementia, as he repeatedly accused "Sleepy Joe" of having dementia. Classic projection.

Edited by clemont107 on Nov 11th 2020 at 10:45:37 AM

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#338794: Nov 11th 2020 at 7:46:09 AM

Early onset at best, if at all. That is a bit too much armchair psychology, I think.

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#338796: Nov 11th 2020 at 8:03:35 AM

Well, Mr. Biden wakes up ready to run, it seems.

Wake me up at your own risk.
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#338797: Nov 11th 2020 at 8:07:49 AM

I'm surprised Trump and his cronies aren't attacking him more for his stutter, especially considering that Trump was advised before the debates to attack Biden in a way that would trigger his stutter.

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#338798: Nov 11th 2020 at 8:09:34 AM

That's basically my thought. We should definitely expect more from our legislative branch than this, but if the two options are "Dems put up 100 bills, Republicans say they'll filibuster all of them" and "Dems only get to put up 6 bills because the Republicans are forced to actually filibuster all of them", then I pick the one that makes Republican Senators miserable.

I prefer "Dems put up 100 bills and they pass, the end."

All this talk about making people actually do the filibuster doesn't solve the problem. It shifts "You can block healthcare by saying you're going to block it" over to "You can block healthcare by standing up and proving what a big, strong man you are while wasting Congress's time and thus preventing any other bills from being discussed and passed while you're doing so."

But the correct solution would be, "You can't block healthcare."

The filibuster doesn't need to be tweaked. It needs to die.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Nov 11th 2020 at 8:10:17 AM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#338799: Nov 11th 2020 at 8:32:29 AM

The filibuster doesn't need to be tweaked. It needs to die.

It'd have been nice to have filibusters for the human rights violations the Trump administration did.

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#338800: Nov 11th 2020 at 8:35:29 AM

Do we have to debate the Filibuster again?


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