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#338651: Nov 10th 2020 at 8:14:06 AM

[up]x2 Not with a Filibuster-empowered Senate. Republicans will kill any and all Healthcare bills before them.

Edited by DingoWalley1 on Nov 10th 2020 at 11:14:19 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#338652: Nov 10th 2020 at 8:15:22 AM

You could actually create a National Health Organization and defund the Department of Homeland Security to fund it.

No need to involve the Senate at all.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Nov 10th 2020 at 8:15:39 AM

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#338653: Nov 10th 2020 at 8:19:44 AM

And don't you dare get self-righteous with me.

Extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures. Evil is subjective

Edited by MrHellboy on Nov 10th 2020 at 10:19:56 AM

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#338654: Nov 10th 2020 at 8:21:36 AM

Destroying democracy doesn't serve anyone but the Republicans. They love undermining our institutions and thrive on authoritarianism.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Nov 10th 2020 at 8:22:05 AM

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#338655: Nov 10th 2020 at 8:24:26 AM

"Evil is subjective" doesn't have a track record of leading to good things.

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DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
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#338656: Nov 10th 2020 at 8:26:12 AM

A Universal Healthcare Executive Order couldn't defund Homeland Security; it would have to defund things from Health and Human Services in order to work. Remember, Trump's wall was only legal because he declared it a Military expenditure thing and pulled money exclusively from Defense spending. On top of that, the minute Biden does that, say goodbye to actual funding for HHS in any Budget, and another excuse for Republicans to cause Shutdowns.

There's also the fact that a 6-3 Reactionary Court will in no way preserve a Universal Healthcare EO...

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#338657: Nov 10th 2020 at 8:26:29 AM

You always have to ask yourself: do i trust trump with this power? Because it's very likely democrats aren't perpetually in power and so one day, whatever mechanisms are invented today will be wielded by evil people in the future.

There's a lot that Biden can do on all sorts of fronts, there's no need to dismantle democracy to do it.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#338658: Nov 10th 2020 at 8:29:02 AM

In the end, if both the Senate and Supreme Court are lost then all Biden has to do is funding for federal agencies and E Os.

But Trump's expansion of powers have their benefits (which is what we're discussing) as well as drawbacks. For example, Biden doesn't have to send his Cabinet Appointees before the Senate since Trump made "acting" a precedent.

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#338659: Nov 10th 2020 at 8:34:54 AM

It would be funny to see Shrimp's blatant abuses of power against the Dems throughout his one term end up backfiring on the GOP when Biden ends up doing the same against them.

Edited by clemont107 on Nov 10th 2020 at 11:35:41 AM

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#338660: Nov 10th 2020 at 8:36:30 AM

Assuming the Republicans don't immediately shut it down screaming "SCREW PRECEDENT!"

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#338661: Nov 10th 2020 at 8:36:36 AM

[up][up]He'll probably complain and will never acknowledge the hypocrisy, and neither will the Republican voters.

Edited by Resileafs on Nov 10th 2020 at 11:36:46 AM

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#338662: Nov 10th 2020 at 8:39:37 AM

"In the end, if both the Senate and Supreme Court are lost then all Biden has to do is funding for federal agencies and E Os. "

While this is true to some extent we have to be carefull to give stuff lost to the republican because it fuel polarization by territorilizing goverment agency and funtions into parties.

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#338663: Nov 10th 2020 at 9:00:24 AM

Instead, we do nothing and leave people to die! Because that's an improvement over doing things when the Republicans have already broken precedent, right? Dereliction of duty?

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#338664: Nov 10th 2020 at 9:55:16 AM

[up]we can help people by not destroying democracy and using the actual normal channels to do things.

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#338665: Nov 10th 2020 at 9:56:38 AM

[up]Are there any normal channels? Specifically, ones that aren't rendered useless by republican holdouts?

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#338666: Nov 10th 2020 at 10:10:30 AM

On the good news side of things, Trump's legal cases are utterly failing. The Michigan courts have actually refused to hear Trump's case due to lack of evidence. Which among other things means that they don't have a ruling they can appeal.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/09/trump-michigan-lawsuit-appeal-election/6222914002/

Which I'm sure is deliberate.

They're not allowing them to go to the Supreme Court.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#338667: Nov 10th 2020 at 10:13:42 AM

Honestly, my hope is that the Electors of Michigan will just vote for Biden and end this farce.

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#338669: Nov 10th 2020 at 10:31:46 AM

[up] In related news, the people aboard the Titanic are starting to accept that the ship is, indeed, sinking.

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#338670: Nov 10th 2020 at 10:33:58 AM

Supreme Court Majority appears to be highly skeptical of Republicans' attempts to destroy Obama Care, as Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Kavanaugh hint that while the Individual Mandate may be illegal, the rest of Obama Care would not be, and are speaking positively of the "Severability" of the Law (IE, making the Mandate Illegal but leaving the rest of it alone).

So Obama Care might survive, and if we somehow get a Majority now or in 2022, we could find new ways to finance it. We'll know in the Summer if Obama Care lives or Dies, but right now its in our favor...

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#338671: Nov 10th 2020 at 10:34:02 AM

Also regarding the ACA Supreme Court case: Who's to say Republicans can't now use the SC to get rid of anything they don't like: Social Security, Medicare, etc.?

Everybody's celebrating that Biden is President now, but it will be 4 years of him literally unable to do anything with the Republicans still controlling our lives

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#338672: Nov 10th 2020 at 10:43:31 AM

Everybody's celebrating that Biden is President now, but it will be 4 years of him literally unable to do anything with the Republicans still controlling our lives

That is exactly what people feared, yes. However, it's not what's going to happen and why people want to pack the courts.

Ironically, the biggest thing Joe could do without the SCOTUS issue being a problem is dismantle the DHS and dissolve ICE.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Nov 10th 2020 at 10:44:22 AM

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#338673: Nov 10th 2020 at 11:05:17 AM

the Individual Mandate may be illegal

Without either the individual mandate or a fine, Obamacare is extremely weak because there's no healthy people who don't need insurance in the pools.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#338674: Nov 10th 2020 at 11:23:22 AM

He's certainly going to be able to do less than we'd like.

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archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#338675: Nov 10th 2020 at 11:30:41 AM

Ironically, the biggest thing Joe could do without the SCOTUS issue being a problem is dismantle the DHS and dissolve ICE.

The President doesn’t have the authority to reorganize the executive branch, so that’s really not something Biden could do. He could try and kneecap DHS through unofficial means, but that would almost certainly not end well.

They should have sent a poet.

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