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nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#338526: Nov 9th 2020 at 4:30:33 PM

It's hard to get a full picture without a breakdown of the youth electorate by race, especially as I checked the original study and it's data for about 13 states for which they had the numbers to work with (i.e. it's incomplete). But IIRC, pre-election studies put Biden's support among 18-29 voters in the low 60s, which does seem to match the current numbers pretty well.

I don't know that you can say youth voters are more conservative than previously thought? What's your baseline?


Morning Consult Poll: Trust in fair elections plummeting among Republican voters.

7 in 10 Republicans say the 2020 election was not free and fair: 48 percent of Republicans say it "definitely" was not free and fair, and another 22 percent say it "probably" was not. That’s twice the share of Republicans who said the race would not be free and fair just before the election.


Prior to the election, 68 percent of GOP voters said they had at least some trust in the U.S. election system. Post-election, that dropped to 34 percent.

Edited by nova92 on Nov 9th 2020 at 4:41:16 AM

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#338527: Nov 9th 2020 at 4:54:58 PM

"We lost therefore it must not be fair."

I see some people don't understand that "fair" does not mean "I win". Or that "people I know who are willing to tell me how they vote" isn't a representative sample of the entire country.

ScubaWolf from South Carolina Since: Feb, 2020
#338528: Nov 9th 2020 at 4:55:28 PM

What snowflakes. Lose once legitimately and you're ready to call all elections a fraud.

"In a move surprising absolutely no one"
CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#338529: Nov 9th 2020 at 4:55:35 PM

Biden apparently can't fire Trump's USPS appointment, as he serves the Postal Service Board of Governors, who are all Trump appointees: https://twitter.com/GeoffRBennett/status/1325930627967950849

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#338530: Nov 9th 2020 at 4:57:52 PM

Trumpheads were always the real snowflakes.

Do not obey in advance.
TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
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#338531: Nov 9th 2020 at 5:04:23 PM

Biden can, however, appoint more people to that board (as there are multiple vacancies) and turn things in his favor. The one catch? The Senate has to approve his picks.

Regarding the ballot confidence thing, the real question is: how many of those Republicans who have no confidence in a fair election process are now taking note of the Republicans congratulating Biden? Seems to me that the Republican party is now going to be treading on some very thin ice in the future, something that could come into play in 2022.

Edited by TotemicHero on Nov 9th 2020 at 8:06:28 AM

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DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
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#338532: Nov 9th 2020 at 5:05:32 PM

[up] Makes the 50-50 split even more vital. We can't have something like the Post office dependent on the whims of a Post Master who hates the current administration.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#338533: Nov 9th 2020 at 5:17:06 PM

So, retrospective: was Trump the worst USA President of all time? He's still got two months left of temper tantrum, but I doubt that would affect his overall rating much. If he's not the worst, how does he rank among the worst USA Presidents of all time?

CookingCat Since: Jul, 2018
#338534: Nov 9th 2020 at 5:21:14 PM

[up] Buchanan is close, but Trump is definitely in the bottom 5.

Layoffs have began in the Trump campaign: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-campaign-staff-234417901.html

Edited by CookingCat on Nov 9th 2020 at 5:23:23 AM

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#338535: Nov 9th 2020 at 5:22:36 PM

[up]x2 If Republican States starts seceding, yes. Otherwise, he was a terrible President but not the worst. The worst President from a Political Standpoint would be James Buchanan, and the worst President from a Moral Standpoint would be Andrew Jackson.

Edited by DingoWalley1 on Nov 9th 2020 at 8:22:49 AM

SatoshiBakura (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#338536: Nov 9th 2020 at 5:23:35 PM

I would say Trump was the worst. While there were presidents that shared his maliciousness, none of them shared his absolutely gross incompetence.

ScubaWolf from South Carolina Since: Feb, 2020
#338537: Nov 9th 2020 at 5:24:01 PM

You know how Barr was eerily quiet this whole time? Well, he's up to his usual evil. Barr authorizes Justice to probe any 'substantial allegations' of voter fraud

"In a move surprising absolutely no one"
nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#338538: Nov 9th 2020 at 5:24:05 PM

Andrew Johnson ranks up there, too.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#338539: Nov 9th 2020 at 5:25:50 PM

From a "did they do their job" perspective, Buchanan was still worse.

He failed the most basic duty of the POTUS - keeping the United States united. He didn't even try to stop the civil war that he knew was going to happen and left it all to Lincoln.

Disgusted, but not surprised
RAlexa21th Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer from California (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I <3 love!
Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer
#338540: Nov 9th 2020 at 5:27:09 PM

Trump is definitely the worst President post-WWI.

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#338541: Nov 9th 2020 at 5:27:35 PM

In regards to the youth vote, my family lives in a pretty conservative area (though we aren't ourselves), and while I'll admit it's rather hard to imagine so many of the people I went to high school with growing up to become Trump supporters...considering our demographics, I think I'd be kidding myself if I tried arguing that they mostly went for Biden.

I'd be interested in knowing who among them voted for Trump, mind you. Maybe I'm wrong and our district might turn purple eventually...but that would probably take years and years, definitely not in the near future.

Edited by KarkatTheDalek on Nov 9th 2020 at 8:29:26 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#338542: Nov 9th 2020 at 5:28:41 PM

Trump is the worst POTUS who ever had access to nukes. Even that drunken anti-Semite Nixon wasn't as bad.

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RAlexa21th Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer from California (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#338543: Nov 9th 2020 at 5:30:26 PM

I think Reagan handled the AIDs pandemic just as well as Trump did COVID. As in, maliciously incompetent.

Edited by RAlexa21th on Nov 9th 2020 at 5:31:22 AM

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SatoshiBakura (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#338544: Nov 9th 2020 at 5:31:05 PM

Ok, Buchanan might be worse in that regard. And Reagan. How he’s so popular will elude me and my parents.

Funny, we had a conversation about favorite and least favorite presidents in my Young Democrats club. One of the international students (who was observing both this club the campus YAF group) admitted that he thought JFK was worse than any other president because of the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Edited by SatoshiBakura on Nov 9th 2020 at 8:32:07 AM

Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#338545: Nov 9th 2020 at 5:33:11 PM

Buchanan may not have done much to stop a civil war from happening, at least he wasn't actively trying to cause one.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#338546: Nov 9th 2020 at 5:34:46 PM

Trump, Buchanan, Hoover, Jackson, and Reagan are probably my bottom 5, although there are a couple others who are really damn close.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#338547: Nov 9th 2020 at 5:35:07 PM

Buchanan did also outright pander to Southern slaver interests. So he did worse than nothing.

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thok That's Dr. Title, thank you! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#338548: Nov 9th 2020 at 5:36:23 PM

The few rankings of Presidents by historians that include Trump all have him faring poorly, but also came out back in 2018/2019 before COVID was a thing.

There's a Siena poll that breaks down the presidential rankings by various components. The one component that Trump scored well on was luck. Again, this was before 2020, when his luck obviously changed.

RAlexa21th Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer from California (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#338549: Nov 9th 2020 at 5:36:47 PM

I think Trump is the only President who is actively at war with democracy itself.

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DS9guy Since: Jan, 2001
#338550: Nov 9th 2020 at 5:43:40 PM
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