Nov 2023 Mod notice:
There may be other, more specific, threads about some aspects of US politics, but this one tends to act as a hub for all sorts of related news and information, so it's usually one of the busiest OTC threads.
If you're new to OTC, it's worth reading the Introduction to On-Topic Conversations
and the On-Topic Conversations debate guidelines
before posting here.
Rumor-based, fear-mongering and/or inflammatory statements that damage the quality of the thread will be thumped. Off-topic posts will also be thumped. Repeat offenders may be suspended.
If time spent moderating this thread remains a distraction from moderation of the wiki itself, the thread will need to be locked. We want to avoid that, so please follow the forum rules
when posting here.
In line with the general forum rules, 'gravedancing' is prohibited here. If you're celebrating someone's death or hoping that they die, your post will get thumped. This rule applies regardless of what the person you're discussing has said or done.
Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
![]()
![]()
Depends on if Trump actually lives that long and isn't arrested by that point. I personally don't think the Republicans are actually throwing Donald under the bus and are only trying to appear to do so because they don't want to face even more anger from Democrats.
The "OMG Socializmz!!" line has been startlingly effective for Republicans. I'm still not entirely sure why. Yes, I know all the facts; I don't need a dissertation. I just can't quite wrap my head around why people so consistently fail to acquire any information about it other than "soshulissm BAD".
Edited by Fighteer on Nov 9th 2020 at 8:51:47 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Actually, based on this
it appears that the southern border in Texas had the largest shift towards Trump, followed by:
- Latino areas elsewhere such as Los Angeles County, Imperial County, Santa Cruz County (AZ), Miami-Dade County and Osceola County.
- Mormon areas.
- Arkansas.
- New York state, probably an artifact of their ballots taking a long time to count.
Shifts for Biden are strong in coastal but also bits of inland "Republican" California, Colorado, the metropolitan areas of Georgia/Texas and New England.
In fact, I'd submit that Texas stayed and Georgia flipped because Trump could balance his losses in Texas's urban areas with gains in the border region. There was no border region in Georgia that could compensate his losses in the Atlanta area.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanNew York has about 1.5 million ballots still unreported, so I'd say it's too soon to draw any conclusions (a special election went from something like 73-25 to 53-47 once mail-ins were counted in the primary.)
Mormon voters I'd wonder how much of it is a result of the McMullin vote no longer being there. Biden actually got 10% more of the vote than Clinton in Utah.
Edited by nova92 on Nov 9th 2020 at 6:02:09 AM
Trevor Noah had an interview last week about the Latin vote, and how Democrats take them for granted to some extent, thinking that they wouldn't vote for Trump because of racism. But they voted for Trump because of jobs. And one Mexican stated that she voted Trump because she doesn't want illegal immigrants coming in, because she came in legally, and illegal immigrants reduce the chance of her family immigrating legally.
They also said to not call Latinos "Latin X", because they really don't like being thrown on a heap like that.
Another point that was made in the interview is that Democrats focus too much on the "black vote" or "Latino vote" or "woman vote", and too little on things that those voters are actually concerned about. This tends to put undue focus on minority identities, rather than the actual issues those people care about. Democrats should be less about identity politics, and more about the actual issues.
Hope shines brightest in the darkest times"Democrats should be less about identity politics, and more about the actual issues."
That's admirable but when one party is intent on wiping out an entire cultural identity, it's a little difficult to accept someone from that group siding with their oppressors. They get blamed for crime, harassed by police, and stalked by white men with guns, but "Democrats are too focused on identity politics". Sure.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Trump doesn't actually care about illegal immigration, he hates all Latines, regardless of if they came in legally or not, he doesn't care about the law, he just uses "illegal" as a racial slur to get white people mad. How can these people not see that?
If Trump had his way, all brown people in the US would either be deported or put in concentration camps, regardless of citizenship status.
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Nov 9th 2020 at 7:11:49 AM
@Fighteer: This was coming from someone in one of those groups, mind you. I'm sure black people are well aware of that. I think when even black people tell you you're focussing too much on racism in their lives, that is a cue to pay attention to them.
Edited by Redmess on Nov 9th 2020 at 3:26:32 PM
Hope shines brightest in the darkest timesI think it's fair to say that on some level, the "Black vote", the "Latino vote", the "woman vote" can paint with too broad a brush and remove a lot of nuance and hides the differences within those communities. I've heard multiple people point out that Latin voters are not a monolith (people feel the same way about Asian American voters). Also Biden was criticized multiple times during the election for not doing enough outreach to Hispanic communities, so Democrats probably should be thinking long and hard about how to go forward.
But the thing about the Mexican American woman supporting Trump and the person who didn't like the term Latinx are literally two people-in-an-Ohio-diner anecdotes.
Also Trevor Noah pointed out that Republicans engage in identity politics, they just code it (so basically dogwhistles).
Can you point me to where this is found in the interview? I think I missed it.
Edited by nova92 on Nov 9th 2020 at 6:32:53 AM
The implication was there. If someone votes GOP over the Democratic Party due to some notion that the Democratic Party cares too much for identity politics, then the implication is that they think the GOP doesn't do identity politics.
Except it very much does.
Edited by M84 on Nov 9th 2020 at 10:35:33 PM
Disgusted, but not surprisedMe, I am more interested in what the economic policies of the future Republican Party will look like.
We know that Trump paid lip service to pro-worker policies then let the ol' plutocratic faction run the state. Some folks mentioned here
are discussing "pro-worker" policies but I wonder if there is more than lip service or promises-that-won't-be-kept there.

They increased their Latino vote, but they still lost it by a large marine overall except for Florida. Heck, small as it is, the Latino vote went hard for Biden in Wisconsin and probably secured the state for him.