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Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#338326: Nov 9th 2020 at 1:03:40 AM

Re: Coup: Arguably, what we're witnessing from the Trump administration trying to discredit, invalidate, overturn, or otherwise ignore the election results is a coup attempt, just an incredibly sloppy and incompetently executed one

Re: Supreme Court credibility: Can't lose what they don't have

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#338327: Nov 9th 2020 at 1:54:08 AM

Lindsey Graham: If Trump concedes election, Republicans will 'never' elect another president

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NEWS November 08, 2020 - 05:03 PM EST Lindsey Graham: If Trump concedes election, Republicans will 'never' elect another president

BY DOMINICK MASTRANGELO 44,222 TWEET SHARE MORE Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) warned that President Trump should not concede defeat in the 2020 presidential election in part because Republicans will "never" be able to elect another president from their party again.

"If Republicans don't challenge and change the U.S. election system, there will never be another Republican president elected again," Graham said Sunday on Fox News. "President Trump should not concede. We're down to less — 10,000 votes in Georgia. He's going to win North Carolina. We have gone from 93,000 votes to less than 20,000 votes in Arizona, where more — more votes to be counted."

Graham knows that even on the off chance he did flip those states. Trump would still lose right....

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Wispy Since: Feb, 2017
#338328: Nov 9th 2020 at 1:57:54 AM

[up]I really wish this would actually happen.

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#338329: Nov 9th 2020 at 2:05:18 AM

[up][up] Don't give me hope, Graham.

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#338330: Nov 9th 2020 at 2:06:29 AM

[up][up][up]Is that a promise?

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nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#338331: Nov 9th 2020 at 2:09:27 AM

Lindsey Graham, 2016-ish: If we (the GOP) nominate Trump it will destroy us.

Lindsey Graham, 2020: If we don't steal an election to reelect Trump it will destroy us.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#338332: Nov 9th 2020 at 2:11:29 AM

The man's as spineless as a jellyfish. And at least jellyfish look cool.

Disgusted, but not surprised
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#338333: Nov 9th 2020 at 2:14:49 AM

No, Graham is a malicious saboteur.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#338334: Nov 9th 2020 at 2:17:16 AM

That's more Republicans being Republicans. Only care about debt when a Democratic Party member becomes POTUS.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Ayasugi Since: Oct, 2010
#338335: Nov 9th 2020 at 2:23:05 AM

Oh how I hope Lindsey Graham is right... I mean, there would still be a fuckton of gerrymandering and voter suppression to undo, but it would mean we'd be rounding the corner.

Mullon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#338336: Nov 9th 2020 at 4:18:29 AM

After this whole debacle I'm getting tired of hearing my stepdad say both sides are corrupt in some sort of responsibility absolution.

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#338337: Nov 9th 2020 at 4:54:41 AM

Yeah, the big problem is restoring trust in politics and the government. Unfortunately, Republicans are not really interested in that, quite the contrary.

But at least Democrats can work on that.

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#338338: Nov 9th 2020 at 5:09:14 AM

Lindsey Graham, 2016-ish: If we (the GOP) nominate Trump it will destroy us.

Lindsey Graham, 2020: If we don't steal an election to reelect Trump it will destroy us.

To be fair, these are not mutually exclusive positions. One can think that his current is a direct result of the 2016 election. I am not even sure he is wrong, Trump's election might well have caused irreversible damage to politics and the Republican party specifically, so if they want to stay in power then maybe keep betting on him is their best option.

He is still a massive asshole for wanting to stay in power over the wishes of the election, though. And, to me, it is a good example of how a lot of the Republican opposition to Trump is pragmatic, not ideological. The people who rejected him in 2016 didn't do so because they disagreed with him, but because they thought it wouldn't work. And I believe a lot of the Republican politicians who are rejecting him now are doing so for the same reason and they will go right back to eroding civil rights as soon as they have a chance.

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#338339: Nov 9th 2020 at 5:11:42 AM

I'm skeptical of the idea that the GOP would never elect a president again after Trump, to say the least. They actually got MORE votes this time and made back gains in the House, kept their Senate majority. 2024 will likely have a "Trumpism without Trump" candidate who will get their base fired up to vote.

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#338340: Nov 9th 2020 at 5:17:17 AM

It's pure "The Democrats will install a socialist dictatorship!!!1!" hyperbole. He doesn't believe it for a moment.

It is interesting to consider where the Republican Party goes in terms of what the actual lessons of this election are in terms of winning in the future goes, because from where I'm standing there are entirely valid arguments for Trump being either a liability or an advantage for them this year. (The long-term answer is going to depend a lot on why the polls failed so badly again, IMO.) The best-case scenario is a full-scale internal civil war that splits their 2024 vote, but that's probably not happening unless Trump himself tries it.

...though mind you, this is all premised on the assumption that Republicans will be looking rationally for lessons to learn, which is by no means guaranteed.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#338341: Nov 9th 2020 at 5:22:15 AM

I mean, Mitch is. He said when he got re-elected that he noticed they weren't doing so great with suburban women and he also said they needed to do better with college-educated voters. I don't know how much influence he has on how the other republicans run their campaigns, but he knows what they need to do.

Mullon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#338342: Nov 9th 2020 at 5:24:59 AM

There's something creepy about Mitch going after college educated kids.

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nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#338343: Nov 9th 2020 at 5:28:47 AM

I mean, after 2012, there was a post-election autopsy by the Republican Party where they said they needed to be more welcoming to minority voters and do outreach. Then 2014 happened and they said screw it and doubled down on their base, nominating Trump in 2016.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#338344: Nov 9th 2020 at 5:32:49 AM

[up]Is less that and more than trump beat all the republican and force the to kiss Ismail ring, even his son describe that as hostile takeover

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#338345: Nov 9th 2020 at 5:33:45 AM

It wasn't Trump that brought racism back to the forefront of the party but the Tea Party.

So, we can say the Koch Brothers.

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#338346: Nov 9th 2020 at 5:34:46 AM

Which just makes it funny now that the republicans are mostly leaving him high and dry. They needed to use him to get what they wanted but they have no personal sense of loyalty to him whatsoever outside of a handful of true believers.

ChrispyBacon Since: Oct, 2020
#338347: Nov 9th 2020 at 5:36:24 AM

Although the Koch brothers did not supportTrump in '16, spending their money on down ballot candidates. I don't think the surviving one supported Trump this year either.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#338348: Nov 9th 2020 at 5:39:48 AM

They got the Latino vote this time around, so I think that strategy could well re-emerge.

Edited by Redmess on Nov 9th 2020 at 2:39:58 PM

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#338349: Nov 9th 2020 at 5:40:22 AM

@Draghinazzo I don't think Republicans would be that willing to abandon Trump. Another 4 years of him would have helped establish the legitimacy of Trumpism as a winning strategy and help secure even more GOP principles into law. Plus I'm pretty sure they would not like what a President Biden would do with the vast power of executive power that Trump abused, even without the Senate in Democratic control.

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#338350: Nov 9th 2020 at 5:41:14 AM

Is it likely that Republicans will try to get Trump re-elected in 2024?

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