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SatoshiBakura (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#338251: Nov 8th 2020 at 1:43:32 PM

This should be fun.

Also, I have been using that damn upside down flag for so long I’m having trouble recognizing my new avatar. tongue

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#338252: Nov 8th 2020 at 1:50:19 PM

This is why you should change your avatar occasionally, so you can adapt to changing it. tongue

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#338253: Nov 8th 2020 at 1:51:41 PM

Nah, stick with the same avatar but with a couple obvious variants (I need to shift to Reindeer mode next month). tongue

Edited by Silasw on Nov 8th 2020 at 9:51:49 AM

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
ShinyCottonCandy Everyone's friend Malamar from Lumiose City (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Everyone's friend Malamar
#338254: Nov 8th 2020 at 1:55:27 PM

Do what I did: spend years with one avatar, then all of a sudden start getting new avatars frequently. In the process, my username kind of transformed into an Artifact Title.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#338255: Nov 8th 2020 at 2:41:46 PM

This is why you should change your avatar occasionally, so you can adapt to changing it. tongue
Or just not change it in the first place.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#338257: Nov 8th 2020 at 3:57:49 PM

I don't think anyone's really worried about this anymore, but the trump campaign has refused to pay wisconsin for a recount.

I.E these lawsuits are actually not serious attempts to steal the election and moreso theatrics to prop up a narrative about the election being stolen.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#338258: Nov 8th 2020 at 4:08:16 PM

[up] It's quite possible they don't have the cash to pay for a recount regardless. My understanding is that the Trump campaign was getting pretty cash-strapped near the end and may actually be in debt atm.

As far as I know recounts almost never swing the totals by more then a hundred of so votes, which is why the totals need to be razor-thin for the state to do it on it's own.

Georgia may end up being the only state to do a recount, but with a 10,000+ vote cushion it's pretty implausible that it will flip.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#338259: Nov 8th 2020 at 5:06:29 PM

Its only three million bucks though. If they are that broke...[lol]

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
ShinyCottonCandy Everyone's friend Malamar from Lumiose City (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#338261: Nov 8th 2020 at 5:11:21 PM

Hey, it's not embezzlement if you're the Fuhrer! Just ask Fritz Kuhn!

RAlexa21th Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer from California (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I <3 love!
Zettai Ryouiki Enjoyer
#338262: Nov 8th 2020 at 5:15:06 PM

The "crowdfund" for the lawsuits is already a scam. 60% of that money is devoted to paying Trump's campaign debts.

The SCOTUS should just hurry and shut him up already. I doubt even a stacked court would appreciate what Trump is doing now.

Edited by RAlexa21th on Nov 8th 2020 at 5:20:29 AM

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#338263: Nov 8th 2020 at 5:20:48 PM

Trump needs to formulate an actual legal case before they can shut it down.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Codafett Knows-Many-Things Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Waiting for you *wink*
Knows-Many-Things
#338264: Nov 8th 2020 at 5:21:23 PM

These people are getting desperate. Because not only was the election a fraud, scam and what have you, but Trump can totally get reelected off of these court cases.

There appear to be two schools of thought the: "I hate Biden" crowd and the "Trump won and is sitting on piles of evidence (that no one can see) that will make this all right"

And clearly these schools aren't talking to each other to get the story straight.

Just Having Fun
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#338265: Nov 8th 2020 at 5:21:41 PM

I won't trust the SCOTUS anywhere near Trump. Outrageous rulings have been avoided so far but Trump is a living miscarriage of justice.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#338266: Nov 8th 2020 at 5:22:26 PM

[up][up][up]The Trump campaign forming their legal team at the last minute and putting Kushner in charge probably didn't help them any.

Edited by M84 on Nov 8th 2020 at 9:22:34 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#338267: Nov 8th 2020 at 5:23:13 PM

The "crowdfund" for the lawsuits is already a scam. 60% of that money is devoted to paying Trump's campaign debts.

As someone who was extremely worried about Trump stealing the election through the courts before - at this point, it seems obvious that his only real motive for the lawsuits in the first place is making money (with maybe a side element of making himself feel better.) They're not intended to accomplish anything else. I'm pretty sure even the theatrics are secondary to the money scam aspect.

Edited by nrjxll on Nov 8th 2020 at 7:24:44 AM

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#338268: Nov 8th 2020 at 5:30:16 PM

Honestly this whole farce is possibly the most fitting end to Trump's sad and pathetic life.

He was born into immense privilege and because he was a rich white man, no matter how unqualified he was and how many messes he made, someone was always there to clean it up for him. He got away with bankrupting several businesses, sexually abusing a bunch of women and harassing a bunch of others, denying lease to black people because of racism, and so many other things.

He's always been surrounded by toadies and sycophants, both before and during his presidency, but because he's such a loathsome person there's not really anyone that feels any kind of personal loyalty or respect for him. They only cared about what he could do for them, whether it was money, power, or status.

And now that he's lost this election, he has little in the way of allies. The party he took over mostly hates him and outside of a few people is mostly leaving him to sink like a rock, having no more use for him. The only people he has left standing by his side are his shitty self-absorbed family and a handful of clueless and incompetent true believers like Giuliani. None of his futile attempts at vindication will bear any fruit. New York is raring to raise charges against him, Deutsche is looking to collect, White House Special Counsel is already preparing an investigation about his use of the white house as a campaign center...

Point being, he can't bullshit his way out of this. And he has nobody to blame but himself and all the stupid shit he did. He didn't have to run for president. He didn't have to plunge the country into chaos. He didn't have to talk shit about people like John Mc Cain and John Lewis. He didn't have to pretend covid-19 was nothing.

Maybe he'll never face jail time or be left destitute like many people are hoping, but he'll always have to live with the fact that he lost and that slightly more than half the country hates his guts.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Nov 8th 2020 at 10:31:18 AM

TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#338269: Nov 8th 2020 at 5:40:51 PM

On the subject of accepting the election, the General Services Administration, the agency which certifies the incoming president-elect, has yet to do so. Until it does, the Biden team can't take advantage of the Presidential Transition Act to set up their upcoming administration.

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#338270: Nov 8th 2020 at 5:44:57 PM

...This better not become a bloody stalling measure.

Edited by fredhot16 on Nov 8th 2020 at 5:45:10 AM

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#338271: Nov 8th 2020 at 5:46:22 PM

Where are you getting that 60% from?

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#338272: Nov 8th 2020 at 5:49:00 PM

[up]

USA Today: Trump fundraiser emails for legal challenges would also pay down campaign debt, fine print says

But a disclaimer on the website states that 50% of any donation will go toward the campaign's general election debt retirement and the other half toward the campaign's recount account, the Wall Street Journal first reported.

A separate fundraising effort by the "Trump Make America Great Again Committee" states that 60% of contributions will go toward campaign debt while 40% goes to the RNC.

Edited by M84 on Nov 8th 2020 at 9:49:43 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#338273: Nov 8th 2020 at 5:50:08 PM

Part of the donation disclaimer is that the funds can go toward paying down campaign debt. It'd be fraud if they didn't advertise it. They just expect rubes not to notice.

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#338274: Nov 8th 2020 at 6:01:40 PM

[up]x5 When are they usually supposed to do so?

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#338275: Nov 8th 2020 at 6:04:51 PM

I'd imagine when the Electoral College meets in December and officially decides who the next President will be.


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