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Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#33801: Oct 20th 2012 at 10:31:18 AM

Don't jump to conclusions yet. The current Supreme Court is not 100% predictable. More like 80%, and the other 20% chance upheld PPACA.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#33802: Oct 20th 2012 at 10:40:34 AM

If this actually turns the election... the Democrats might as well start cheating themselves. I hate myself for thinking that but if the right continues to pull this kind of trash what choice do we have?

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#33803: Oct 20th 2012 at 10:47:44 AM

So it's just going to be an election of cheating, and whoever cheats best wins, with pretty much no input from the general populace?

Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
LooseCannon The Groose Is Loose from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jun, 2012
The Groose Is Loose
#33805: Oct 20th 2012 at 10:49:22 AM

I guess it's time to go to Canada then.

Burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me.
ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#33806: Oct 20th 2012 at 10:53:06 AM

Democracy is dead. Time to revolt.

Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
Gunpla is amazing!
#33807: Oct 20th 2012 at 10:55:42 AM

Can't.

Honey Boo Boo is on soon.

edited 20th Oct '12 10:55:54 AM by Thorn14

Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#33808: Oct 20th 2012 at 10:57:35 AM

@Rationalinsanity

Well, what do you have in mind, by cheating?

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#33809: Oct 20th 2012 at 10:59:44 AM

@rationalinsanity, the Republican narrative is that the Dems already cheat, constantly, and the system is rigged to hide it. Thus they justify any amount of cheating on their part as "balancing the scales", much as Fox News claims to be "fair and balanced". That this belief is contradicted by facts is irrelevant.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#33810: Oct 20th 2012 at 11:14:30 AM

...but, the private market!

...but, market failures!

PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#33811: Oct 20th 2012 at 11:18:56 AM

... but, Obama's fault for looking at Job Creators funny and scaring them off from investing in the economy!

Ugh, I really do hope that Tagg Romney thing gets investigated. I feel sick to my stomach.

edited 20th Oct '12 11:19:53 AM by PotatoesRock

#33812: Oct 20th 2012 at 11:23:54 AM

I'd be interested to learn more about Romney junior's supposed connection to the voting machines. I can't help but notice that the sources that article links to do not contain the text it presents as direct quotes. As a matter of fact, none of them mention any connection between Romney junior and Hart Intercivic at all. So while I wouldn't be surprised if there is some connection, that particular site appears to be hosting blatant liars and should not be trusted as a source of information.

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GameGuruGG Vampire Hunter from Castlevania (Before Recorded History)
Vampire Hunter
#33813: Oct 20th 2012 at 11:25:37 AM

Why choose between corporations and government when both are working together to screw you over?. The battle between capitalism and communism has ended in both sides taking a third option.

edited 20th Oct '12 11:27:52 AM by GameGuruGG

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#33814: Oct 20th 2012 at 11:29:02 AM

@Loose Cannon; no such luck up here. The Conservative Party got a majority (probably would have won anyway but with another minority) through robo calling voters in battleground ridings that were known to support other parties and giving them false polling station locations.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/18/polls-obama-has-advantage-in-wisconsin-iowa/?hpt=po_t1

But this race isn't over. Election night is going to be brutal unless either campaign really screws the pooch shortly beforehand.

edited 20th Oct '12 11:32:02 AM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
BestOf FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC! from Finland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC!
#33815: Oct 20th 2012 at 11:34:01 AM

I quit following this thread about 20 pages ago 'cause I had too many fast-moving threads the I wanted to keep on my watchlist. Now, some of those threads have slowed down, so I'm thinking of re-joining this discussion.

I don't want to Archive Binge on the admittedly low number of pages I missed, yet I don't want to ask you guys to repeat everything that I missed on the thread. But I would like to know how the televised debates between the candidates have gone.

I read that Obama was perceived to have lost the first one, but how did the second one go? If someone can give me a brief summary about that without taking the thread on an unnecessary repeat of recent pages, I'd be grateful.

Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#33816: Oct 20th 2012 at 11:40:39 AM

Obama came across as far more energetic, confrontational and less tired in the second debate. Romney screwed up by bungling the Libya questions (should have been easy points) and when the question over gender equality in hiring came up he said he had "binders full of women". This instantly (like 20 seconds afterwards on Twitter) became a meme and the main soundbite of the debate.

Obama all but outright called Romney a liar and didn't make any obvious errors. It wasn't a knock out win but Obama has stabilized the situation somewhat.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Skatepunk Since: Feb, 2011
#33817: Oct 20th 2012 at 11:41:29 AM

Liked the article you posted, Harvey!

Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#33818: Oct 20th 2012 at 11:47:28 AM

I attended part of the debate showing/discussion session and this is what I got: the questions were awfully specific, and the candidates weren't so much directly answering them; they were offering tangential proposal/view of the general issue, and incorporating the question into the answer. Not necessarily a bad thing though.

I remember the two of them arguing about when Obama reported the Libya news.

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#33819: Oct 20th 2012 at 11:54:53 AM

^

...the questions were awfully specific, and the candidates weren't so much directly answering them; they were offering tangential proposal/view of the general issue, and incorporating the question into the answer. Not necessarily a bad thing though.

Quite.

I guess the questions were so specific that neither of the candidates could have been easily briefed in enough detail to answer them in the debate?

Keep Rolling On
Couchpotato20 Will kill you from Hell Since: Apr, 2011
Will kill you
#33820: Oct 20th 2012 at 12:04:27 PM

@Rationalinsanity

Thanks for the link man. I signed it and gave the link to my mom,pops as well as my friends.

edited 20th Oct '12 12:04:46 PM by Couchpotato20

"I don't give a rat's ass about going to hell. I guess it's because I feel like I'm already there." -Mugen
terlwyth Since: Oct, 2010
#33821: Oct 20th 2012 at 12:24:57 PM

If Romney screwed up,why is it every swing state except Colorado and Ohio are probably gonna be Romney states?

Has an incumbent in a recession ever gotten re-elected? Not that I know of.

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#33823: Oct 20th 2012 at 12:34:34 PM

[up][up]I've seen polls suggesting that Ohio and a few other states are leaning to Obama. And pretty much all of them are contested. And Romney can't afford to lose more than a few, especially if either Ohio or Florida go blue.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
#33824: Oct 20th 2012 at 12:43:58 PM

If the election turns out exactly like the current polling, Obama will win by a narrow margin. If Romney overtakes Obama in even one state where he is currently behind, he'll win unless Obama likewise picks up a Romney state.

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Inhopelessguy Since: Apr, 2011
#33825: Oct 20th 2012 at 12:50:11 PM

The thing is though, Romney could win the popular vote, but Obama could win the College fairly easily. The race, of course, isn't over yet, and tbh, I think it's closer than it needs to be. In theory, Romney should not be as electable as the polls make him out to be.


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