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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#337976: Nov 7th 2020 at 4:34:35 PM

I posted it a couple months ago - it was a plan by Schumer and Warren that focused on things a president could do by themselves. I'm pretty sure it was presented as a plan that could be used by Trump (not that he would), but was mainly aimed at a Biden presidency. Forbes link

Wow, I've been preempted before but this has got to be a record tongue

So...does this mean my sizable student loans are only a few months away from getting wiped? Because, awesome.

Exactly. grin

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
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#337977: Nov 7th 2020 at 4:36:44 PM

Given Biden's occasional propensity for exaggerated or outright fabricated stories about his history, Grandpa Simpson would not be far off the mark.

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nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#337978: Nov 7th 2020 at 4:49:16 PM

[up][up] Tracked down the initial article and it has this bit:

The measure introduced by Warren and Schumer Thursday calls on the president to take executive action to cancel up to $50,000 in federal student debt for every borrower in the United States, which would wipe out the student debt obligations for more than three-quarters of Americans who owe them.

An estimated 44 million Americans owe about $1.6 trillion in student loans.

I think it's also a positive sign that Schumer, a fairly moderate Dem and Senate Minority Leader, is the one proposing this, along with Warren. It suggests the measure has broad support within the Democratic caucus and gives it a very good chance of happening.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#337979: Nov 7th 2020 at 5:01:42 PM

Biden’s victory speech is due to start any moment.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#337980: Nov 7th 2020 at 5:02:15 PM

Biden was supposed to speak at 8, right?

i'm tired, my friend
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#337981: Nov 7th 2020 at 5:03:24 PM

Yeah he’s running a couple minutes late, I’ve got it up on You Tube.

Motorcade is arriving now.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Makir Since: Feb, 2017
#337982: Nov 7th 2020 at 5:09:25 PM

It may sound hyperbolic, but I geniuenly felt like a nightmare has finally been lifted after 4 years.

Here's the plan, people: We (of those leaning leftwards) HAVE to be critical of Biden. He won't be a Bernie, BUT we cannot treat him as Trump 2.0 the moment he makes any mistake or political blunder, that wont bring the country leftwards.

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#337983: Nov 7th 2020 at 5:12:18 PM

The problem is more likely that the left will be hypercritical.

Makir Since: Feb, 2017
#337984: Nov 7th 2020 at 5:20:34 PM

The reason why the left SHOULDN'T be hyper-critical but at the same time not complacent towards Biden is a simple one: Optics.

All in hope that in the next election (2028?), an even more left-leaning candidate is elected.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#337985: Nov 7th 2020 at 5:28:22 PM

Harris is on stage now to introduce Biden.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
PhilosopherStones Anyways Here's Darude Sandstorm from The North (lots of planets have them) (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
Anyways Here's Darude Sandstorm
#337986: Nov 7th 2020 at 5:29:16 PM

Things I said 4 years ago?

I take it back.

You don't have to sleep in that bed anymore. Democracy won out today.

GIVE ME YOUR FACE
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#337988: Nov 7th 2020 at 5:39:51 PM

People are already starting to write Biden off and not expect anything from him. I don't expect his administration will go "okay, then we're taking our ball and going home", but let's at least wait until January before we collapse back into our "oh won't Progressive Jesus get into the White House and solve everything" mode.

It's been fun.
Makir Since: Feb, 2017
#337989: Nov 7th 2020 at 5:41:33 PM

I don't think Harris is that much of a progressive TBH. Definetly not to the same extent as AOC or the Justice Dems.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#337990: Nov 7th 2020 at 5:44:20 PM

Hah, I don't think you have to worry about people being critical. Once the shine has worn off after a few months and Trump has faded from memory somewhat, people will line up to criticize him. Including on this very forum, I dare bet.

Hope shines brightest in the darkest times
DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#337991: Nov 7th 2020 at 5:44:37 PM

[up][up][up] From what I've seen, there are basically two types of leftists - on the one hand you have the ones who went "Okay, I don't like the guy, but he's better than a bloody fascist and we can apply pressure to get his administration to pass more progressive policies".

And then you have the armchair revolutionaries who keep talking a big game about how voting is useless and people need to take action - other peopel because you'll never see these guys do anything other than be smug on social media.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Nov 7th 2020 at 2:44:49 PM

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#337992: Nov 7th 2020 at 5:45:23 PM

The real test will be his response to the BLM protests and police reform. Will he push for it, pay it lip service, or pretend it went away?

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#337993: Nov 7th 2020 at 5:46:06 PM

Oh, I expect to criticize him plenty. But for things he actually does wrong, as opposed to his failure to be the progressive unicorn we never expected him to be in the first place.

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#337994: Nov 7th 2020 at 5:48:08 PM

I have no expectations. What's the point? He's a politician. I expect he will give the progressive wing exactly what we force him to give us, and not one agenda item more.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
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Lost in Space
#337995: Nov 7th 2020 at 5:50:31 PM

I feel like it's a bit premature to be writing Biden off as not progressive enough.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#337996: Nov 7th 2020 at 5:52:02 PM

Nobody is "progressive enough", because that implies that someone is the perfect candidate. There are no perfect candidates.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
Makir Since: Feb, 2017
#337997: Nov 7th 2020 at 5:52:41 PM
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nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#337998: Nov 7th 2020 at 5:54:51 PM

I have no real positive expectations for major political reform, especially not with at best a 50/50-split Senate.

OTOH, after being genuinely unable to imagine that next year might actually see a world free of President Giant Orange Baby, right now I'm definitely with the people who are just celebrating/breathing a sigh of relief. Nitpicking and worrying about what Biden can/will achieve can wait for a little bit.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#337999: Nov 7th 2020 at 5:54:55 PM

[up][up]Take it down a notch, Che Guevara.

Edited by Fighteer on Nov 7th 2020 at 8:55:03 AM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Lennik (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#338000: Nov 7th 2020 at 5:55:48 PM

From what I've seen, there are basically two types of leftists - on the one hand you have the ones who went "Okay, I don't like the guy, but he's better than a bloody fascist and we can apply pressure to get his administration to pass more progressive policies".

And then you have the armchair revolutionaries who keep talking a big game about how voting is useless and people need to take action - other peopel because you'll never see these guys do anything other than be smug on social media.

Yes. The latter types love talking theory, or rather belittling others about theory, but have very little mind for strategy. AOC wins elections, and actually gets into a position to make a difference. Those who reject the entire process in the name of accelerationism go nowhere and accomplish nothing. And they push accelerationism while assuming they get to be the lucky ones who survive democracy's collapse while waiting for the revolution.

Edited by Lennik on Nov 7th 2020 at 8:58:22 AM

That's right, boys. Mondo cool.

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