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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#337701: Nov 6th 2020 at 6:12:13 PM

@Dragh, Fox (successfully!) argued in court that no reasonable person would assume that Carlson's show wasn't entertainment, and not news.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#337702: Nov 6th 2020 at 6:12:59 PM

[up]Yeah, I heard about that. I don't understand how that argument could possibly hold up in court but then again I'm not a lawyer, so whatever. Still absurd.

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#337703: Nov 6th 2020 at 6:14:06 PM

[up][up] Honestly, no reasonable person would assume he's entertainment either.

Because this kind of blatant racism and fearmongering isn't funny. At all.

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#337704: Nov 6th 2020 at 6:15:45 PM

I know Starbucks is stereotypically associated with left-leaning "pajama boy"-types. This is probably due to it being a place with internet connection, a bit overpriced, very common in urban regions, and the caffeinated nature of its products being useful to college students.

Basically, it's like how the Granola Girl trope is associated with Granola (because that type of person stereotypically likes it).

For my part, I'm actually rather fond of Starbucks personally, though I have had better coffee.

Leviticus 19:34
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#337705: Nov 6th 2020 at 6:16:57 PM

Secret service protection is a courtesy from the government, it is not mandatory.

Nixon is the only one to ever give it up, and I’d be very surprised if he wasn’t heavily monitored afterwards.

So unless there is a specific court order against him leaving the country,

I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if all presidents (plus other people with critical intelligence information) were subject to a legal order preventing them leaving the country without State department guidance.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#337706: Nov 6th 2020 at 6:17:19 PM

I said this before but Fox and other outlets and pundits like them are one of the biggest reasons Republicans have become so unreasonable. All they do is promote outrage and fear 24/7 and discourage any kind of nuance or critical thinking in favor of just sucking up to the republican president unconditionally or making the democratic president a bogieman over the most ridiculous things. I've been told Obama got called an elitist because he likes dijon mustard on his cheeseburger, that's the level of commentary that fox news provides.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#337707: Nov 6th 2020 at 6:19:21 PM

And even though Trump probably zoned out during most meetings, he still knows too much to be allowed to leave without supervision.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#337708: Nov 6th 2020 at 6:21:07 PM

If Trump were put anywhere near a general population of prisoners, or into the custody of a hostile nation, the US Intelligence Community, Five Eyes and Israel (among others) would cry bloody murder.

Edited by Rationalinsanity on Nov 6th 2020 at 10:21:55 AM

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#337709: Nov 6th 2020 at 6:22:13 PM

[up][up] The guy flat-out told Russian representatives state secrets when they visited him in the White House some years ago.

Not to mention that one time when he bragged about a type of missile (if I recall correctly) the military didn't want him to talk about.

The guy only remember shit when it's inconvenient for everybody else.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Nov 6th 2020 at 3:22:23 PM

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#337710: Nov 6th 2020 at 6:24:19 PM

Getting reports that Bannon's lawyer quit after he advocated for murdering Fauci and Wrey.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
minseok42 A Self-inflicted Disaster from A Six-Tatami Room (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
A Self-inflicted Disaster
#337711: Nov 6th 2020 at 6:24:25 PM

[up][up][up]If Trump were to go to jail, I think he'll be in solitary, or in special protection (like the place where they keep informants) for security reasons

Edited by minseok42 on Nov 6th 2020 at 11:24:42 PM

"Enshittification truly is how platforms die"-Cory Doctorow
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#337712: Nov 6th 2020 at 6:26:39 PM

I’d assume that Trump would never go inside a traditional jail, he’d serve under either house arrest or a custom prison built just for him and whichever of his kids go down with him.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
ScubaWolf from South Carolina Since: Feb, 2020
#337713: Nov 6th 2020 at 6:28:28 PM

Assuming of course he isn't taken care of. If he knows too much, that makes him a loose end, doesn't it? I know, we don't know paranoia, or conspiracy, or things like that. I'm just Stating the Simple Solution if they don't want him to talk.

"In a move surprising absolutely no one"
Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#337714: Nov 6th 2020 at 6:29:57 PM

I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if all presidents (plus other people with critical intelligence information) were subject to a legal order preventing them leaving the country without State department guidance.

I think that is the real question here: can any ex-president travel without government permission?

Hope shines brightest in the darkest times
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#337715: Nov 6th 2020 at 6:31:41 PM

Carter, HW, and Clinton regularly traveled to do charity, etc. So it isn't that hard for them to travel.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#337716: Nov 6th 2020 at 6:32:12 PM

They are still American citizens, and retain all the legal rights of citizens.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#337717: Nov 6th 2020 at 6:33:01 PM

I've been told Obama got called an elitist because he likes dijon mustard on his cheeseburger, that's the level of commentary that fox news provides.

Ugh, that's not even the worst one. They once spun an entire scandal out of Obama wearing a tan suit. The fact that they'll go going right back to that after defending every genuinely horrible thing Trump has done makes me more than a little angry.

Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#337718: Nov 6th 2020 at 6:46:35 PM

Assuming of course he isn't taken care of. If he knows too much, that makes him a loose end, doesn't it? I know, we don't know paranoia, or conspiracy, or things like that. I'm just Stating the Simple Solution if they don't want him to talk.

Killing Trump is more trouble than it's worth. He still has a stupid and rabid following and it wouldn't help to accidentally make him some sort of martyr.

Leaving him in a cell (whether in an actual jail or an effective one via house arrest) to rot is probably the best option.

Edited by Karxrida on Nov 6th 2020 at 6:47:18 AM

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#337719: Nov 6th 2020 at 6:49:54 PM

I think those Obama scandals were more born out of a lack of real scandals, and a desire to make hay out of something, anything at all.

Hope shines brightest in the darkest times
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#337720: Nov 6th 2020 at 6:55:48 PM

[up][up][up]Which is funny because I read michelle obama book and she said that if anything that Obama at times have this clustered monk tendency with him: always reading in a book somewhere and that in her first date when they were in his car, he try to hide the hole in his seat, flinstone style.

We can said something about obama, elitist? naw.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#337721: Nov 6th 2020 at 7:00:24 PM

Carter, HW, and Clinton regularly traveled to do charity, etc. So it isn't that hard for them to travel.

Sure but they will travel have done such travel in coordination with the state department, I doubt any of them have gone to Russia without being on a diplomatic mission.

They are still American citizens, and retain all the legal rights of citizens.

Citizens get put on no-fly lists. They’re also former government employees with security clearance and all the restrictions that come with it, I’d bet money that senior former-CIA people can’t travel to Russia without talking to State.

Edited by Silasw on Nov 6th 2020 at 3:01:45 PM

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
minseok42 A Self-inflicted Disaster from A Six-Tatami Room (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
A Self-inflicted Disaster
#337722: Nov 6th 2020 at 7:04:05 PM

[up] But the US doesn't have immigration controls when leaving the country, and there were cases of CIA officers defecting to the Soviet Union, with layovers in neutral countries.

Edited by minseok42 on Nov 7th 2020 at 12:04:22 AM

"Enshittification truly is how platforms die"-Cory Doctorow
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#337723: Nov 6th 2020 at 7:06:46 PM

Sure in the case of senior CIA people they could physically do it if nobody saw it coming, but Trump isn’t some covert operator who nobody suspects, the fact that we on here are discussing the possibility of him fleeing the country means for sure that somebody at the CIA has thought of it and likely gamed out how to prevent it.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Scarecrow4774 from In Wonderland Since: Mar, 2017 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#337724: Nov 6th 2020 at 7:14:26 PM

Trump supporters dancing to "Killing in the Name."

Well, we have reached peak irony now.

“We’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad.” - Lewis Carroll
Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#337725: Nov 6th 2020 at 7:14:47 PM

Given the number of states looking to press charges against him and the amount of classified material Trump knows I imagine someone has quietly added him to the No-Fly list and thrown out his personal passport.


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