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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
"And even if Biden wins, the bad times are still not over."
My friend, let me assure you that the battle to protect human rights is never over. The elite will come back, again and again, so long as they have money to spend. Their livelihood depends on it.
I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.Democrats have had to break 2010 Republican gerrymanders in a whole lot of states. The things that are shifting towards them (mostly suburbs) are moving slower than the places running away from them (mostly rurals). So they're left with a big structural disadvantage. I thought 2020 would be the year things broke in their favor, but looks like I was wrong about that.
2010 and 2014 will be some of the bitterest midterms for Democrats from a long term perspective. The losses they sustained then have allowed Republicans to create enormous unfair systemic advantages (gerrymandered maps, the stacking of the courts) that have given them control and power even when they're in the minority and destroyed democratic norms.
What I meant specifically was that Trump would still be in power for several months, and could conceivably still use his power in some ways, likely not good ones.
As for fleeing the country, the FBI is likely not able to stop him unless they get explicit orders for it. Trump could just dismiss them, for one, if it came to that.
Edited by Redmess on Nov 6th 2020 at 2:32:53 PM
Hope shines brightest in the darkest timesTrump can’t fly a plane, the secret service won’t let him on a regular flight, the only way Trump leaves the country is if the secret service fly him out on an official diplomatic visit somewhere.
I’m pretty sure that the State Department are capable of spending a couple months loosing the paperwork on any visits Trump tries to have them schedule.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranHe’s not even allowed to drive, the secret service aren’t driving him to an airport for a commercial flight due to the very obvious security risk of such an act.
Trump isn’t going to sneak out the back of the White House and hightale it to an airport.
He’s don’t need charges, being president alone restricts his travel privileges heavily, simply on security grounds.
Edited by Silasw on Nov 6th 2020 at 1:39:31 PM
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranYeah. As bad as the Democrats feel about it, how do you think the fiscal conservatives and small-government supporters who aren't proud of their racism feel? sad
Truly my heart bleeds for them.
It’s not about criminal charges, the president isn’t allowed to get a cab, he’s not allowed to fly in a commercial plane, he’s not allowed to drive, that’s just a basic rule of being president, even former presidents aren't allowed to drive.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranHis secret service protection doesn't go away after he stops being president, so the secret service would fly with him. Their presence would also rather screw up any escape plan, what with them being police and all.
Hell I’m not even sure if former presidents can fly commercial, they probably also are only allowed to certain countries if not on official government business.
At which points he’s so blatantly telegraphed his plan that he can probably get put on a no-fly list. Hell I’d be shocked if former-presidents weren’t on one anyway for national security reasons.
Edited by Silasw on Nov 6th 2020 at 1:58:54 PM
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranTucker Carlson says that Biden and Harris will FORCE Americans to...drink Starbucks every day. FOREVER.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1324887827868508162
Wow, this combined with Taco Trucks on every corner is about the worst threatening news I've heard in a long time.
Leviticus 19:34But he is not obligated to have secret service protection after leaving office. He (and any other ex-president) could simply dismiss them if he wants to, and he could always hire a private security firm if he wanted to (as could Obama, in theory). Secret service protection is a courtesy from the government, it is not mandatory.
So unless there is a specific court order against him leaving the country, he is absolutely free to do so, and no one, not even the secret service, could stop him from doing so without court orders.
... Do Republicans have a beef with Starbucks or something?
Edited by Redmess on Nov 6th 2020 at 3:09:30 PM
Hope shines brightest in the darkest times

According to the NCSL
(National Conference of State Legislatures): Republicans won the New Hampshire Senate and House, and likely the Alaska House, and the Montana Governorship. That gives them an additional 3 trifectas. Democrats gained none, falling short in the Minnesota Senate, the Texas House, the Iowa House, in Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Wisconsin.
Republicans now have complete control over 23 states, compared to 15 for Democrats, with 12 states having a split government.
The historical average is for a dozen legislative chambers to change hands each election cycle. In 2010, Republicans won control of 20, putting them in the driver's seat for redistricting in the last decade. Counting their victories last year in the Virginia House and Senate last year, it looks like Democrats have made a net gain of one chamber for the cycle.
The gains Republicans cemented with the 2010 election are still largely fixed in place.
Polizzi says Democrats will still head into redistricting in 2021 in better shape than they were back in 2011. The party's gains in 2018 will give them control or protect them in some states where they retain the governor's veto.
Republicans like the hand they're holding. Democrats have long complained that unfair partisan gerrymanders have kept even purple states from being competitive, but they have mostly been unable to change that equation.