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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#337626: Nov 6th 2020 at 12:58:46 PM

Bannon's importance has been greatly exaggerated for a long time, the actual reason Trumpism won't disappear is that it has not been repudiated. Trump increased his voting share, Trumpism objectively works.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#337627: Nov 6th 2020 at 1:00:00 PM

The news here is also linking Biden to the New Green Deal, so it seems like that is sticking to him abroad at least.

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#337629: Nov 6th 2020 at 1:17:11 PM

Tempting fate much? grin

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Goku Black
#337630: Nov 6th 2020 at 1:36:24 PM

Curious. Worst case scenario.

How would trump still be able to win?

I'm feeling morbid

Edited by miraculous on Nov 6th 2020 at 1:36:36 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#337631: Nov 6th 2020 at 1:36:58 PM

Voteswise, or legal wise?

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#337632: Nov 6th 2020 at 1:41:05 PM

How would trump still be able to win?

I share your anxiety but it's done. We can decompress now. Let the horror die away.

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#337633: Nov 6th 2020 at 1:42:07 PM

Republican dominated state legislators could set aside the vote totals and select electors who are Trump-loyalists. Horror restored.

Mind you, this is unlikely, but it's at least legally plausible.

Edited by DeMarquis on Nov 6th 2020 at 4:42:41 AM

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#337634: Nov 6th 2020 at 1:45:17 PM

[up]I'm pretty sure the only states that this would be possible are already going for Trump. And if they tried this in Georgia you'd get riots in the streets, and probably worse.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#337635: Nov 6th 2020 at 1:45:23 PM

[up][up]But is it probable?

[up] sounds like "no".

Edited by sgamer82 on Nov 6th 2020 at 1:45:52 AM

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#337636: Nov 6th 2020 at 1:46:13 PM

No, very improbable. I was asked for "worst case", not most likely case.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#337637: Nov 6th 2020 at 1:46:26 PM

I don't think so. And I think Silas mentioned there's a law that allows parties to replace faithless electors or something that got passed after 2016? Not sure on the specifics.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#337638: Nov 6th 2020 at 1:46:52 PM

Can we, for one two-month-long moment, not speculate on various ways Trump might steal an election he's already lost? Please? At least until he actually tries something serious?

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#337639: Nov 6th 2020 at 1:48:49 PM

Yeah, I've been all about not being premature for most of this race, but I'm pretty sure Trump's done. All signs point to him sinking like a rock between the election itself, all his legal challenges being thrown out, and most of the GOP distancing themselves from him.

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#337640: Nov 6th 2020 at 1:51:24 PM

Then let us settle on this for worst case scenario:

The hungering Mammon that slavers beneath Capitol Hill awakens in a grotesque upheaval. Fat with decades of feasting on lobbying, he consumes the souls of all senators; now gravid with truly dark powers, he ushers the United States into eternal decay.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#337641: Nov 6th 2020 at 1:52:57 PM

Trump increased his voting share, Trumpism objectively works.
Yeah. As bad as the Democrats feel about it, how do you think the fiscal conservatives and small-government supporters who aren't proud of their racism feel? sad

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#337642: Nov 6th 2020 at 1:54:40 PM

Also, I just want to take a moment and give a shout-out to Stacey Abrams who is a true GOAT that was instrumental to Biden being as competitive in Georgia as he was. I hope she continues to have a bright future in politics.

[up]The problem is that the actual conservative ideologues with real consistency and principles are a vast minority among both the voterbase and in politicians. It's already been proven that what most GOP voters really care about is cultural domination and "sticking it" to everyone they don't like. That's why trump won the primaries, because his ugly rhetoric speaks to what they really want.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Nov 6th 2020 at 6:56:25 AM

Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#337643: Nov 6th 2020 at 2:00:10 PM

America’s Next Authoritarian Will Be Much More Competent: Trump was ineffective and easily beaten. A future strongman won’t be.

Now that Joe Biden appears to be winning the presidency, we can expect debates over whether Donald Trump was an aberration (“not who we are!”) or another instantiation of America’s pathologies and sins. One can reasonably make a case for his deep-rootedness in American traditions, while also noticing the anomalies: the early-morning tweeting, the fondness for mixing personal and government business, the obsession with ratings befitting a reality-TV star—the one job he was good at.

From an international perspective, though, Trump is just one more example of the many populists on the right who have risen to power around the world: Narendra Modi in India, Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil, Viktor Orbán in Hungary, Vladimir Putin in Russia, Jarosław Kaczyński in Poland, and Recep Tayyip Erdoğan in Turkey, my home country. These people win elections but subvert democratic norms: by criminalizing dissent, suppressing or demonizing the media, harassing the opposition, and deploying extra-legal mechanisms whenever possible (Putin’s opponents have a penchant for meeting tragic accidents). Orbán proudly uses the phrase illiberal democracy to describe the populism practiced by these men; Trump has many similarities to them, both rhetorically and policy-wise.

He campaigned like they did, too, railing against the particular form of globalization that dominates this era and brings benefit to many, but disproportionately to the wealthy, leaving behind large numbers of people, especially in wealthier countries. He relied on the traditional herrenvolk idea of ethnonationalist populism: supporting a kind of welfare state, but only for the “right” people rather than the undeserving others (the immigrants, the minorities) who allegedly usurp those benefits. He channeled and fueled the widespread mistrust of many centrist-liberal democratic institutions (the press, most notably) —just like the other populists. And so on.

But there’s one key difference between Trump and everyone else on that list. The others are all talented politicians who win elections again and again.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#337644: Nov 6th 2020 at 2:02:55 PM

I just want to nitpick one small thing in that article, which is that it mentions Bolsonaro among all those other autocratic politicians, but the truth is that unlike Putin he is not a competent politician who gets elected over and over. His tenure has sucked and while this country is certainly terrible enough to elect him again, he could just as easily be defeated in our elections in 2022. We'll have to see.

I do agree however that the US is in danger from a future wannabe autocrat who will be much more competent than Trump.

RainingMetal (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#337645: Nov 6th 2020 at 2:04:06 PM

In addition Bolsonaro was recently elected for the first time. No idea how long standard terms in Brazil last, but the important thing is that he's a newcomer and won only once. We'll see how that holds up later on.

Got that mostly off of Vox and Last Week Tonight.

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Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#337646: Nov 6th 2020 at 2:04:31 PM

I also think that may ignore that while the authoritarian right wing bumblefucks are incompetent, so are their opponents.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#337647: Nov 6th 2020 at 2:04:56 PM

It's 4 years, same as the US.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#337648: Nov 6th 2020 at 2:05:39 PM

Steve Bannon lawyers want off his criminal case after ex-Trump advisor discussed Fauci beheading – Twitter suspended a Steve Bannon podcast after he discussed putting the heads of Anthony Fauci and FBI Director Christopher Wray on spikes at the White House.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/06/steve-bannon-lawyers-seek-to-withdraw-after-fauci-beheading-comment.html

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Goku Black
#337649: Nov 6th 2020 at 2:07:24 PM

Would that threat not be a violation of his bail?

I'm curious ?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#337650: Nov 6th 2020 at 2:09:19 PM

I just want to nitpick one small thing in that article, which is that it mentions Bolsonaro among all those other autocratic politicians, but the truth is that unlike Putin he is not a competent politician who gets elected over and over.

I noticed that as well, but he had a political career prior to that, correct? It ultimately led to the presidency, so I suppose at the very least he stuck around long enough for that to pay off.


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