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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Change blindness
is such a fun thing, isn't it? (don't worry, I missed the header update too)
Edited by Reflextion on Nov 4th 2020 at 6:52:16 AM
Someone did tell me life was going to be this way.With a republican senate I'd say the possibility of that is low, however many bones has been made about the fact that it might not be a democratic state if it were admitted.
You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the midWell, it's up to the people of Puerto Rico really, but there's also nothing that isn't a partisan issue when it comes to the GOP. As long as they can keep the US in a state of stagnation rather than progression, they benefit from rising apathy towards the "progressive" party who aren't managing to do anything, so they benefit from stonewalling anything and everything the Dems do as their default position.
"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."The funny thing is that Puerto Rico's territorial government seems to be leaning conservative (though the parties all have left and right wings because Puerto Rico party politics revolve heavily around statehood rather than other issues), in part because of disillusionment with the Democrats and continental social liberals who have refused to make any sort of strong commitment to the cause of statehood each time a previous referendum has come up pro-statehood.
I wouldn't be surprised if as a state, Puerto Rico would actually be pretty competitive. It certainly wouldn't be guaranteed blue seats like DC would be as a state.
I wonder, will Donald Trump ever be unlocked after he’s defeated and kicked out of office, or will we keep it locked for all eternity?
Edited by SatoshiBakura on Nov 4th 2020 at 9:12:21 AM
I can’t imagine his base ever moving on from holding him up, so my money’s on keeping it locked.
Maybe unlock it briefly to get rid of that weird last paragraph. I mean, if he lost the election in 2020, the current year, why even mention Clinton conceding the 2016 election to him. It feels like a huge anticlimax.
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."Use the edit requests for locked pages thread for that discussion, please.
Regarding Puerto Rico, I recall that Republicans historically supported PR statehood as well. More importantly, given that Trump did fairly well among Latino voters - including Puerto Rican ones - in Florida, there might be some support among Republicans. Especially among Florida's Republican Senators Rick Scott and Marco Rubio, who actively campaigned among Puerto Ricans and won their elections, in part, on the strength of their Latino support.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanIf Puerto Ricans want statehood, we ought to let'em be a state.
The only question is whether or not they want statehood. So many past referendums have failed to conclusively answer this for various reasons.
Wish we had more Puerto Rican posters who could offer their thoughts.
Edited by M84 on Nov 6th 2020 at 4:36:44 AM
Disgusted, but not surprisedSo if this is being interpreted correctly the most brazen "idea" (I am not sure if it's already the "plan") of Trump to get mail ballots thrown out is not getting a warm reception even on FOX
.
They voted for it this time.
And of the six Puerto Ricans I know, 5 of them supported statehood. They just didn't have much of a big feeling on it and felt it would be a hassle. They all became INTENSELY pro-statehood after Trump's handling of them.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.Arguably then, the best thing that the pro-statehood party (which caucuses with Republicans IIRC) could do is try and convince Republicans that they could make Puerto Rico a Republican State.
Then we go back to the tradition of expansion in pairs: one Democrat state added at the same time as a Republican state, in this case DC for Puerto Rico.
I doubt they would be successful, and anyway it wouldn't be an even trade: Hell would freeze over before a Republican won in DC whereas the best the pro-statehood party could argue is that Republicans would be competitive in Puerto Rico.
Out of interest however, does anyone know what adding DC or Puerto Rico as states would do to the House? How many seats would they get and which states would lose out on seats as a consequence?
It's mixed up with the 2020 Census results so hard to tell, but population estimates put Puerto Rico between Utah and Iowa, so 4 Congressional districts, and DC is between Vermont and Alaska, so 1 at-large district. Don't know which states would lose out in that scenario, though.
Out of curiosity, what was the turnout for the vote like? I remember the last referendum had abysmal turnout, which didn't do any favors for its legitimacy.
Edited by nova92 on Nov 5th 2020 at 5:24:02 AM
When Alaska and Hawaii were added, they each got one representative and no one lost anything, so for a couple years the House had 437 Representatives. Although I'm not sure the situations are equivalent, since the next reappropriament was a couple years away and Hawaii only bumped up from one to two seats while thr House shrunk back down to 435.
The damned queen and the relentless knight.
Well I'm in a weird spot. I've spent my whole life on Guam, a US Territory, yet both my parents are Puerto Rican, and they're definitely pro-statehood. Yet, while my dad was alive he recognized that the chances of Statehood were going to be slim for a bunch of reasons, ranging from the federal govt finding it undesirable to the island populace themselves being divided on the issue. And strangely enough Guam and Puerto Rico are a mirror of each other in many ways, political leanings and desire for more representation included. Oh, and both islands generally lean on the Democrat side of things... until Trump screwed that up.
Gets a bit more diverse when you factor in that Spanish is still a widely spoken language in Puerto Rico, even to the point of some citizens using it as their primary language. Contrast Chamorro, the original native language in Guam, which is no longer spoken as a primary language by anyone save for a VERY literal handful of die-hards. Oh, and Guam is crazy pro-military: we've got the highest recruitment %rate of the United States.
EDIT: Dang... Ninja'd!
Edited by SgtRicko on Nov 5th 2020 at 11:59:33 PM

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