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#337251: Nov 3rd 2020 at 12:23:39 PM

I could believe that anti-semites like Israel because they believe more Jews in Israel mean less Jews at home to 'meddle' and 'infiltrate' and all those other conspiracies. IIRC, some extremist elements of the Zionist movement back in the 30s actually supported the Nazis because, as far as they knew, they wanted to deport Jews from Germany, meaning they'd settle in Israel instead, so this would basically be the inverse of that.

Edited by PresidentStalkeyes on Nov 3rd 2020 at 8:26:20 PM

Those sell-by-dates won't stop me because I can't read!
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#337252: Nov 3rd 2020 at 12:28:50 PM

Trump is antisemitic, even if only because he allies himself with antisemites and neo nazi organizations like the Proud Boys.

ScubaWolf from South Carolina Since: Feb, 2020
#337253: Nov 3rd 2020 at 12:30:13 PM

The religious right supports Isreal because of antisemitism - the idea is that Israel will rebuild the Temple at which point Jesus will descend from Heaven and wipe them off the face of the earth.
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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#337254: Nov 3rd 2020 at 12:34:36 PM

[up][up]Though the whole preferring Jewish accountants thing makes me think he believes in the "greedy, manipulative Jew" stereotype.... and probably sees it as a positive.

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jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#337255: Nov 3rd 2020 at 12:36:57 PM

As a Jewish man (although my opinion is by no means representative of Jews as a whole) I see Trump more as an anti-antisemite. Someone who thinks "look how great the jews are managing money and creating this state etc.". And how that attitude can easily slip into antisemitism when most American Jews hate his guts, and he doesn't like that lack of reciprocal adoration. I see it as he idealizes us and then lashes out when we don't behave to expectations. Sort of like how some misogyny is expressed as coddling women and treating them as delicate creatures.

Edited by jjjj2 on Nov 3rd 2020 at 3:38:38 PM

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#337256: Nov 3rd 2020 at 12:40:31 PM

@ Rational Insanity - That's basically the take of journalist Yair Rosenberg in this article - that Trump believes that antisemitic tropes are true, but sees them as good since he thinks it is a positive to corrupt and self-interested.

Also, Trump comes across as believing in a more "systemized" / Nazi-adjacent version of white supremacy than your garden variety racist. Like he frequently talks about a "racehorse theory" of genetics (i.e. that people with "good genes" are superior) and associates that genetic superiority with people of "Aryan descent" (i.e. Scandinavians in Minnesota and notorious antisemite Henry Ford).

Basically, he's not Archie Bunker. He's Tom Buchanan.

Edited by Hodor2 on Nov 3rd 2020 at 2:40:51 PM

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#337258: Nov 3rd 2020 at 12:46:46 PM

Racists are weird.

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
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#337259: Nov 3rd 2020 at 12:47:24 PM

There is a distinct difference between Israel, the nation, and the jews, the people. Criticizing Israel does not equate with criticizing the jews, or judaism, and criticizing judaism or the jews is not criticizing Israel.

Anti semites are not necesarily anti-Israel, but they are anti-jews. There are many reasons why they would support Israel as mentioned before: Israel may become a home for the jews to get away from, the biblical prophecies may come true and the end times will come...

Or having all the jews in one place is just convenient.

Regardless, Trump's remarks aredeifnitely anti semitic: He did a lot of reinforced the greedy jew stereotype and once again did his best to shovel them all to Israel.

It is, after all, convenient to make it so that the opinions of the jewish people, are exactly the same as those as israel, though this is not the case.

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ryanasaurus0077 Since: Jul, 2009
#337260: Nov 3rd 2020 at 12:51:11 PM

Will Lady Liberty win the fight, or will Donald Trump trounce her left, trounce her right, and tap dance on her head?

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#337261: Nov 3rd 2020 at 1:06:36 PM

@ryanasaurus0077 Y'know, I did once compare Trump to Bob Paige, then noted that the big plus side of this is that it means Biden gets to be JC Denton.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#337262: Nov 3rd 2020 at 1:14:47 PM

Several polling locations and other offices have been vandalized by red text reading "Don't Vote, Fight For Revolution", sometimes including a Hammer & Sickle. And one of those polling locations was a World War 1 memorial, for extra awful.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/03/politics/wwi-memorial-vandalize-election-2020-trnd/index.html

Its hard to tell if this a false flag, or actual communist/far-left elements doing the vandalism.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#337263: Nov 3rd 2020 at 1:15:45 PM

A story that's kinda sad and funny at the same time: Many Democrats are avoiding places, foods, and other things they associate with the 2016 election.

One guy hasn't worn the star spangled shoes he wore on that night since. Another dude hasn't touched onion dip in four years.

Wildcard Since: Jun, 2012
#337264: Nov 3rd 2020 at 1:17:33 PM

Probably false flag. I'd have to know more info to say for sure but even among The Far Left the Hammer and Sickle is seen as a Soviet Symbol and the Soviets really aren't popular.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#337265: Nov 3rd 2020 at 1:19:42 PM

To me, the hammer and sickle usually indicates the more authoritarian strains of leftism (such as Marxism-Leninism, Maoism, and other such Second World -isms). In which case, it could indeed be a false flag, but I have seen and even met enough people who really are legitimately that stupid. Accelerationist and opposition to democracy is pretty baked into such ideologies, so it completely fits their modus operandi. That said they'd be seen as fringe even among leftists as the anarchist side of the axis is increasingly popular these days.

Edited by AlleyOop on Nov 3rd 2020 at 4:21:18 AM

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#337266: Nov 3rd 2020 at 1:20:48 PM

The 'Don't vote' part certainly makes it more looking like a false flag thing.

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#337267: Nov 3rd 2020 at 1:23:51 PM

It reeks of false flag to me solely based on the fact us commies tend to not agree too much with each other, not even to organize vandalism for.

And that shade of red. Really, tovarisch? not even the right one.

Plus, it is counter productive to not support the party that doesn't want socialists dead.

Edited by Aszur on Nov 3rd 2020 at 3:25:24 AM

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#337268: Nov 3rd 2020 at 1:24:25 PM

Yeah, you'd figure that most fringe leftists would encourage ballot spoiling, write-ins, or fringe candidates.

But there's probably some coordination, given that the same message has shown up in at least 3 different states.

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#337269: Nov 3rd 2020 at 1:25:15 PM

Yeah actual far-left groups might well believe in not voting, but it's far from a key enough part of their beliefs to be what they graffiti.

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#337270: Nov 3rd 2020 at 1:39:14 PM

I have seen people graffiti guillotines in real life and someone else saying "don't vote, follow the French Model" online seriously. So, it's not necessarily all that implausible.

For that matter, I'd argue the Trump Administration is very liable to breed far-left extremists. Radical values frequently emerge in response to their opposite.

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#337271: Nov 3rd 2020 at 1:40:39 PM

Most anti-voting leftists I've seen are more annoyed at the idea only voting will do anything.

They still want people to vote out Trump, even if the Democrats are...not very leftist.

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BrainSewage from that one place Since: Jan, 2001
#337272: Nov 3rd 2020 at 2:43:12 PM

@Parable: When I got dressed this morning, I actually asked myself which shirt I wouldn't mind throwing out tomorrow.

How dare you disrupt the sanctity of my soliloquy?
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#337273: Nov 3rd 2020 at 3:09:13 PM

I have a Biden shirt that will either be useless or a victory trophy tomorrow, no in between. So I'll be putting that on when I get home.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#337274: Nov 3rd 2020 at 3:16:14 PM

Since we're all seem more or less resigned to the idea that Trump/Republicans are going to contest everything that doesn't look like it's going they're way, it leaves me wondering if they actually have the funds for that?

Like, in the event that there's little to no ambiguity but they're still trying to contest like 20 different things, do we know if they just fizzle out immediately, or if they can drag it out for awhile?

Resileafs I actually wanted to be Resileaf Since: Jan, 2019
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#337275: Nov 3rd 2020 at 3:17:53 PM

[up]Well, I pondered that myself earlier, but thinking about it, the Republicans won't be paying for it.

You will, with taxpayer money!


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