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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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If Biden wins tonight/this week, a long with enough Democratic Senate Candidates, I have a feeling much if not most of Biden's Policies will be implemented with the help of Congress.
@M84: But people don't really care about the effort to implement the promises, do they? They only care about the results, and if there aren't any results then that's only because the President didn't try to keep their promises.
That's what happens when you have an entire population that's politically illiterate.
- Politician makes 400 campaign promises.
- Politician successfully enacts 250 campaign promises.
- Politician attempts to enact another 125 campaign promises but is blocked.
- 25 campaign promises go forgotten.
- "Politicians always lie and never keep any campaign promises."
If my understanding of this stuff is correct, it's more or less proven that politicians usually try to keep their promises, and when they fail it's usually not for lack of trying. And Donald Trump is in no way an exception from this rule. Here's a study mentioning that over half of all election promises are kept
. Regarding Trump, he only broke 49% of his promises and take note of how many of these "broken promises" are not from lack of trying
.
I think this is also a form of political "anti-pattern", i.e a situation where the common belief is demonstrably untrue and yet people keep believing in it.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanThere can be an argument that people vote for politicians to keep their promises, but then politicians do things that wasn't in their platform (which shouldn't come as a surprise, a lot of things can happen in the four years they are elected), and people decide that their politician is greedy and corrupt as a result.
Edited by Resileafs on Nov 3rd 2020 at 9:56:41 AM
It's because people don't form worldviews from actual data. They form worldviews from what their friends and family and their sitcoms and stand-up comics and TV dramas and every other messaging influence on their life is telling them. "All politicians are crooked liars and thieves" is a popular cultural message in the United States in large part due to free propagandiza from entertainers who genuinely believe it and want to make jokes or write stories about it as well as Republicans actively encouraging it.
Republicans love it and go out of their way to spread it. It benefits their platform when people believe that politicians are crooked liars and thieves because they don't run on a platform of helping people.
- Democrat: The Republican candidate is provably, demonstrably a liar, a thief, and a rapist.
- Republican: The Democrat's probably also a liar, thief, and rapist BTW.
- Democrat: What?! No, I'm not!
- Voters: Democrats accuse Republicans of being criminals and Republicans accuse Democrats of being criminals because they're all just lying conmen. It's just politics. But at least the Republican's up-front about it.
You would be amazed and disgusted at how much mileage the Right has gotten out of the "I'm Rubber, You're Glue" defense. They sling accusations not to actually convince people of atrocities from the Left but just to encourage a general feeling that politics is about slinging baseless accusations, and that the Left's accusations are therefore similarly baseless.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Nov 3rd 2020 at 7:04:33 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.It doesn't help that the filibuster and other structural characteristics make Congress a bill eating abomination. When your politicians constantly fail to do the major parts of what they promised it's understandable, if misguided, for one to assume that they never meant to do it in the first place.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Nov 3rd 2020 at 7:03:31 AM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangIt's also true that not all campaign promises are good ideas. A promise is not a contract written in the blood of the voters. If Candidate Cornelia says she'll abolish air, one would generally expect that promise to go unfulfilled.
Political dreams and ambitions are tempered by the realities of governance, and this is a good thing.
Edited by Fighteer on Nov 3rd 2020 at 10:18:00 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"@Fourthspartan's post: Right. If I remember at the last debate, wasn't Biden's reply to why the Obama administration didn't get certain things done, "Republicans controlled Congress. Simple as that."
Dude was a long, long time Senator and, obviously, VP (who is technically President of the Senate and casts deciding votes when the Senate is tied). He knows this.
Edited by PointMaid on Nov 3rd 2020 at 10:18:57 AM
Let me remind everyone that the Republican tax cut bill of 2017 was rammed through a lightning process with handwritten notes being added to the margins of the pages up to the last minute, with not a single member of Congress reading the entire thing. As a result, it has loopholes and errors that you could drive a semi truck through. This is not a model we should be emulating.
It is the duty of Congress to slow down the process of change to make sure it's done properly, with all interests heard and all loopholes closed, so that we don't have to come back in six months to fix all the stuff that got broken.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
