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#337151: Nov 3rd 2020 at 6:41:19 AM

[up] If Biden wins tonight/this week, a long with enough Democratic Senate Candidates, I have a feeling much if not most of Biden's Policies will be implemented with the help of Congress.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#337152: Nov 3rd 2020 at 6:41:29 AM

Actually, most USA Presidents have kept most of their promises and at least made efforts to keep all of them.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#337153: Nov 3rd 2020 at 6:43:17 AM

Even Trump. His wall's failure wasn't from lack of trying.

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#337154: Nov 3rd 2020 at 6:43:19 AM

The idea that politicians break their word constantly feeds into a distrust of the system and thus voter apathy,beware

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#337155: Nov 3rd 2020 at 6:45:28 AM

I think politicians don't seem to keep their word because a lot of voters vote for politicians based on what they think the canidates will do, not on what the canidates actually say they will do

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#337156: Nov 3rd 2020 at 6:45:54 AM

@M84: But people don't really care about the effort to implement the promises, do they? They only care about the results, and if there aren't any results then that's only because the President didn't try to keep their promises.

That's what happens when you have an entire population that's politically illiterate.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#337157: Nov 3rd 2020 at 6:47:07 AM

It's probably because they laser focus on the promises the politicians do fail to keep while ignoring the ones they did keep.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#337158: Nov 3rd 2020 at 6:47:12 AM

That's where a lot of the issues with the "Unicorn Brigade" stem from, if I understand correctly.

They go all in on a candidate who swears to do X, Y, & Z, then turns on them if they fail and/or don't accomplish their promise fast enough.

Edited by sgamer82 on Nov 3rd 2020 at 6:48:13 AM

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#337159: Nov 3rd 2020 at 6:48:59 AM

What's the Unicorn Brigade again?

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#337160: Nov 3rd 2020 at 6:51:00 AM

Uber-leftests appeased only by the uberest-leftiest candidate.

Bernie Bros was another common term for the type.

Edited by sgamer82 on Nov 3rd 2020 at 6:51:12 AM

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#337161: Nov 3rd 2020 at 6:51:23 AM

People wishing for a left-wing unicorn. Someone that can get them free healthcare, education and housing right now, and considers anyone that expresses doubt on how viable that plan is a traitor to the cause.

Edited by Kayeka on Nov 3rd 2020 at 3:51:41 PM

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#337162: Nov 3rd 2020 at 6:52:26 AM

  • Politician makes 400 campaign promises.
  • Politician successfully enacts 250 campaign promises.
  • Politician attempts to enact another 125 campaign promises but is blocked.
  • 25 campaign promises go forgotten.
  • "Politicians always lie and never keep any campaign promises."

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#337163: Nov 3rd 2020 at 6:52:36 AM

If my understanding of this stuff is correct, it's more or less proven that politicians usually try to keep their promises, and when they fail it's usually not for lack of trying. And Donald Trump is in no way an exception from this rule. Here's a study mentioning that over half of all election promises are kept. Regarding Trump, he only broke 49% of his promises and take note of how many of these "broken promises" are not from lack of trying.

I think this is also a form of political "anti-pattern", i.e a situation where the common belief is demonstrably untrue and yet people keep believing in it.

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#337164: Nov 3rd 2020 at 6:53:31 AM

I've made my opinions clear in this thread. Just wanted to say, I voted D across the ballot and put it in and that I hope you all stay safe today.

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#337165: Nov 3rd 2020 at 6:54:29 AM

Well, that's good to hear, then.

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#337166: Nov 3rd 2020 at 6:56:14 AM

There can be an argument that people vote for politicians to keep their promises, but then politicians do things that wasn't in their platform (which shouldn't come as a surprise, a lot of things can happen in the four years they are elected), and people decide that their politician is greedy and corrupt as a result.

Edited by Resileafs on Nov 3rd 2020 at 9:56:41 AM

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#337167: Nov 3rd 2020 at 7:01:28 AM

I think this is also a form of political "anti-pattern", i.e a situation where the common belief is demonstrably untrue and yet people keep believing in it.

It's because people don't form worldviews from actual data. They form worldviews from what their friends and family and their sitcoms and stand-up comics and TV dramas and every other messaging influence on their life is telling them. "All politicians are crooked liars and thieves" is a popular cultural message in the United States in large part due to free propagandiza from entertainers who genuinely believe it and want to make jokes or write stories about it as well as Republicans actively encouraging it.

Republicans love it and go out of their way to spread it. It benefits their platform when people believe that politicians are crooked liars and thieves because they don't run on a platform of helping people.

  • Democrat: The Republican candidate is provably, demonstrably a liar, a thief, and a rapist.
  • Republican: The Democrat's probably also a liar, thief, and rapist BTW.
  • Democrat: What?! No, I'm not!
  • Voters: Democrats accuse Republicans of being criminals and Republicans accuse Democrats of being criminals because they're all just lying conmen. It's just politics. But at least the Republican's up-front about it.

You would be amazed and disgusted at how much mileage the Right has gotten out of the "I'm Rubber, You're Glue" defense. They sling accusations not to actually convince people of atrocities from the Left but just to encourage a general feeling that politics is about slinging baseless accusations, and that the Left's accusations are therefore similarly baseless.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Nov 3rd 2020 at 7:04:33 AM

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#337168: Nov 3rd 2020 at 7:03:21 AM

It doesn't help that the filibuster and other structural characteristics make Congress a bill eating abomination. When your politicians constantly fail to do the major parts of what they promised it's understandable, if misguided, for one to assume that they never meant to do it in the first place.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Nov 3rd 2020 at 7:03:31 AM

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#337169: Nov 3rd 2020 at 7:09:24 AM

It's also true that not all campaign promises are good ideas. A promise is not a contract written in the blood of the voters. If Candidate Cornelia says she'll abolish air, one would generally expect that promise to go unfulfilled.

Political dreams and ambitions are tempered by the realities of governance, and this is a good thing.

Edited by Fighteer on Nov 3rd 2020 at 10:18:00 AM

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#337170: Nov 3rd 2020 at 7:16:49 AM

And how is it a good thing? I'm curious.

Edited by FCMacbeth on Nov 3rd 2020 at 11:17:05 PM

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#337171: Nov 3rd 2020 at 7:18:13 AM

How is what a good thing?

PointMaid Since: Jun, 2014
#337172: Nov 3rd 2020 at 7:18:21 AM

@Fourthspartan's post: Right. If I remember at the last debate, wasn't Biden's reply to why the Obama administration didn't get certain things done, "Republicans controlled Congress. Simple as that."

Dude was a long, long time Senator and, obviously, VP (who is technically President of the Senate and casts deciding votes when the Senate is tied). He knows this.

Edited by PointMaid on Nov 3rd 2020 at 10:18:57 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#337173: Nov 3rd 2020 at 7:18:31 AM

They actually have to put in the work,it's a job just like any other

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#337174: Nov 3rd 2020 at 7:19:05 AM

Let me remind everyone that the Republican tax cut bill of 2017 was rammed through a lightning process with handwritten notes being added to the margins of the pages up to the last minute, with not a single member of Congress reading the entire thing. As a result, it has loopholes and errors that you could drive a semi truck through. This is not a model we should be emulating.

It is the duty of Congress to slow down the process of change to make sure it's done properly, with all interests heard and all loopholes closed, so that we don't have to come back in six months to fix all the stuff that got broken.

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nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#337175: Nov 3rd 2020 at 7:23:33 AM

I would hope that the bills passed by Democrats in the House during the current Congress are fully fleshed out with any issues already hammered out and potential loopholes closed, so that they can be taken mostly as is in the next Congress.


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