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#336976: Nov 2nd 2020 at 3:17:37 PM

[up][up]And this is why I don’t believe in phonebanking, etc., no matter how much I want to do more than just give one vote.

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Nov 2nd 2020 at 6:17:54 AM

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#336977: Nov 2nd 2020 at 3:20:51 PM

Yeah, I gave Biden some money, now the DNC won't stop bugging me.

Leviticus 19:34
Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#336978: Nov 2nd 2020 at 3:21:56 PM

It's going to be an interesting Wednesday morning here in Europe. Fun way to wake up.

Edited by Kayeka on Nov 2nd 2020 at 12:22:08 PM

MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
#336979: Nov 2nd 2020 at 3:25:11 PM

Okay, so we don't know for sure, but... When do you think we'll be reasonably sure about who wins?

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A procrastination in of itself
#336980: Nov 2nd 2020 at 3:28:19 PM

Could be early Wednesday morning, could be next week.

The closer the result the longer it will take for us to know who wins. Some states should give us results on the night, but they only tell us the overall winner if they go a specific way.

Edited by Silasw on Nov 2nd 2020 at 11:29:15 AM

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#336981: Nov 2nd 2020 at 3:31:01 PM

Personally if you want a clearer picture of the race in larger chunks I suggest checking in Wedsneday and then Friday.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#336982: Nov 2nd 2020 at 3:43:18 PM

My understanding is that the Federal Judge in question has a reputation for being an egregiously right-wing partisan, but apparently even he has his limits.

I note that Halloween had a blue moon this year.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#336983: Nov 2nd 2020 at 3:46:05 PM

As the judge himself noted, there was no legal argument to be had, even before accounting for the last minute nature of the request and the significant negative impact it would have.

Unless they could prove that Harris County was up to something illegal, they had nothing going for them.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#336984: Nov 2nd 2020 at 3:47:35 PM

Still, even the attempt is pretty telling. Even in comparison to the other things they get up to.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#336985: Nov 2nd 2020 at 3:48:41 PM

Trump would argue that the legal argument is that he wants it.

Which is definitely an What You Are in the Dark moment for a lot of Republicans.

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#336986: Nov 2nd 2020 at 3:49:03 PM

They tried something in Nevada that got rejected, although they can still appeal to the Nevada Supreme Court if they want.

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Lost in Space
#336987: Nov 2nd 2020 at 3:50:07 PM

Yeah, the news isn't that the tactic failed but that they tried it at all. How far the GOP has fallen, although the fall makes certain theorists seem pretty prophetic in hindsight. (*cough* Paul Krugman)

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#336988: Nov 2nd 2020 at 3:50:34 PM

@LBSK, if they feel the need to cheat in Texas, that's probably a good sign for the Democrats.

Well, as long as the courts keep tossing their efforts anyway.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
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Lost in Space
#336989: Nov 2nd 2020 at 3:52:24 PM

The GOP has crossed the Godzilla Threshold with this election. Its true colors have been shown. Win or lose, there's no putting this genie back in the bottle. The party has made it unmistakable that it thinks democracy is a sham. The only question now is whether it will get away with that.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
#336990: Nov 2nd 2020 at 3:56:03 PM

I haven't donated to any candidate, since I'm not even American. But I did give some money just now to a charity providing food for people waiting in line to vote. Food's good.

Well, then, it's almost exactly 24 hours until the voting ends and the counting begins...

Edited by MichaelKatsuro on Nov 2nd 2020 at 12:56:13 PM

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#336991: Nov 2nd 2020 at 3:57:38 PM

I wanted to donate to Bernie during the primaries, but didn’t because, as I’m not American, that would have been illegal.

Edited by Galadriel on Nov 2nd 2020 at 6:58:04 AM

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#336992: Nov 2nd 2020 at 3:58:39 PM

On a more positive note, I'm pretty pumped for Biden to be president, assuming he does win.

Leviticus 19:34
BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#336993: Nov 2nd 2020 at 3:59:03 PM

The party has made it unmistakable that it thinks democracy is a sham.

I remember a quote I read once from a conservative, in an article I read.

"If conservatives can't win at the ballot box, they won't stop believing in conservatism. They'll stop believing in democracy."

I truly believe that. And I'd read about how, supposedly, many conservatives feel like they've been losing, particularly in the Culture Wars.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#336994: Nov 2nd 2020 at 3:59:08 PM

@Fighteer: I keep wanting to see if Robert A. Heinlein's crystal ball is still in working order, given that he predicted the current GOP and the structural problems that allow it to exist in 1952.

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#336995: Nov 2nd 2020 at 3:59:37 PM

[up][up][up]I’ll mostly just be relieved. And happy to be done with Trump.

I’ll be excited about major policy changes, when and as they happen.

Edited by Galadriel on Nov 2nd 2020 at 7:04:50 AM

Alycus Since: Apr, 2018
#336996: Nov 2nd 2020 at 4:07:52 PM

Was honestly expecting to wake up to bad news in Texas over the federal judge ruling on drive-in voting, so this was an actual pleasant surprise. I still don't think Republican judges can be trusted in the long term, but it seems at least some of them have enough sense to want to avoid major backlash.

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#336997: Nov 2nd 2020 at 4:10:22 PM

"If conservatives can't win at the ballot box, they won't stop believing in conservatism. They'll stop believing in democracy."

It's that a lot of them believe that democracy is already a sham, due to corruption by the Democrats. Remember that the fundamental underlying myth that led to today's polarization was the claim that the Democratic Party takes tax money away from the middle class to bribe poor people and minorities into voting for them. Thus, if Biden wins, a great many of them expect the Federal Government to raise taxes for the purpose of giving it away to undeserving poor black people.

Nevermind the counter-factual nature of this, if someone really believed it, for whatever misguided reason, should we expect that person to continue to support American Democracy? Of course not—it's a lost cause already. The only remaining hope is to turn to a patriotic authoritarian.

I'm done trying to sound smart. "Clear" is the new smart.
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#336998: Nov 2nd 2020 at 4:12:25 PM

It is indeed a pleasant surprise, though it shouldn't be too surprising in hindsight. Judges did start out as lawyers, and Trumpism has alienated anyone and everyone with even a scrap of respect for the rule of law.

[up]On a related subject, this editorial discusses the downside of the dissolution of the Republican Party - namely, that there's no longer a genuine conservative party to help our democracy remain healthy.

A healthy political system needs robust, competing parties to give citizens a choice of ideological, governing and policy visions. More specifically, center-right parties have long been crucial to the health of modern liberal democracies, according to the Harvard political scientist Daniel Ziblatt’s study of the emergence of democracy in Western Europe. Among other benefits, a strong center right can co-opt more palatable aspects of the far right, isolating and draining energy from the more radical elements that threaten to destabilize the system.

Today’s G.O.P. does not come close to serving this function. It has instead allowed itself to be co-opted and radicalized by Trumpism. Its ideology has been reduced to a slurry of paranoia, white grievance and authoritarian populism. Its governing vision is reactionary, a cross between obstructionism and owning the libs. Its policy agenda, as defined by the party platform, is whatever President Trump wants — which might not be so pathetic if Mr. Trump’s interests went beyond “Build a wall!”

Edited by Ramidel on Nov 2nd 2020 at 3:12:39 AM

MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
#336999: Nov 2nd 2020 at 4:14:28 PM

Ramidel: I'm interested; where and when did Heinlein predict this?

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Lost in Space
#337000: Nov 2nd 2020 at 4:16:12 PM

I wonder if he's talking about Revolt In 2100, which supposes that a theocratic, conservative party won power and then dismantled American democracy, creating a dictatorship that lasted for something like a century.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

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