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Alycus Since: Apr, 2018
#336126: Oct 30th 2020 at 4:08:43 AM

The Bush years and his reporting over the NSA Prism scandal left Greenwald with a burning hatred and distrust of all US institutions, media outlets, NATO and centrist Democrats, and to this day still regards them as his true enemies while downplaying or blatantly ignoring Trump and what Republicans do. I even suspect he's secretly supportive of Trump's dismantling of US government institutions because of his hatred of them. He also gets really angry at any suggestion of interference in the US by his real favorite country, Russia.

Now we find out that he's indeed willing to stoop as low as agreeing with far right conspiracy theories as long as they target Democrats. Maybe with his departure The Intercept will actually be a credible outlet now.

Edited by Alycus on Oct 30th 2020 at 4:33:54 AM

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#336127: Oct 30th 2020 at 4:09:18 AM

To be fair, the GOP has been doing this for decades and the Dems did in fact respond like that. Like, Biden started this campaign hoping the rebuild the bridges they've spent the entire millennium so far burning.

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#336128: Oct 30th 2020 at 4:30:42 AM

It’s a good thing the GOP is so Stupid Evil. They could easily have just pretended to go along with Biden’s approach and then backstabbed him after the election, but now more people than ever know just how heinous they are.

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#336129: Oct 30th 2020 at 4:40:28 AM

I have long considered Glenn Greenwald to be a sack of shit hack who lets his biases get in the way. When even the site you founded won’t put up with your bullshit anymore...

Disgusted, but not surprised
doctor05 Since: Sep, 2015
#336130: Oct 30th 2020 at 5:37:20 AM

so Americans... any chance Trump might still become president DESPITE the fact that he lost the election? There is theory going on that says that Trump might throw tantrum and accuse this election of being a fraud ( because of mail-in votes and yadayadayada ) He might bring Biden and Democrats to the supreme court and since right now supreme judge favours Trump they might say this election is invalid and hand over to congress... and since Republicans dominate Senate Congress might declare Trump a winner.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#336131: Oct 30th 2020 at 5:38:33 AM

U.S. appeals court upends Minnesota plan to extend deadline for receiving ballots and 400,000 ballots haven’t arrived yet.

My mind jumps to the postal service dragging their feet... 400,000 ballots... like starting to think this is exactly how Trump wins.

Edited by Memers on Oct 30th 2020 at 5:42:09 AM

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#336132: Oct 30th 2020 at 5:38:36 AM

[up][up]There are way too many failsafes for Trump to remain in office without winning an election.

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Oct 30th 2020 at 8:38:43 AM

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TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#336133: Oct 30th 2020 at 5:40:35 AM

[up] x 3

Unless the GOP wants to face complete and utter destruction at the hands of the people for trying to turn the United States into a banana republic by this blatant trashing of the Constitution and everything America is supposed to stand for, they won't back him on this.

Especially if the votes cast for Biden ends up in numbers that simply can't be disputed or needed to be settled in court.

Edited by TitanJump on Oct 30th 2020 at 1:40:52 PM

doctor05 Since: Sep, 2015
#336134: Oct 30th 2020 at 5:41:33 AM

So is it possible that in 2021 we might have an American president who became president even though he lost the election by ELECTORAL COLLEGE? ( FIRST TIME SINCE JOHN QUINCY ADAMS VS ANDREW JACKSON?)

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#336135: Oct 30th 2020 at 5:41:48 AM

[up][up][up][up][up] While, to be fair, Trump did win an election he also lost, that's far less likely this time. The only way the Supreme Court and/or Congress can do any of what you suggest is if a result is very close. Polls so far give Biden a sizable lead. Some individual state results might be close, but the overall result should favor Biden by a wide margin.

[up] No. The electoral college is what decides who's president. Biden wins it be big enough, it won't matter what anyone else does.

Edited by sgamer82 on Oct 30th 2020 at 6:02:02 AM

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#336136: Oct 30th 2020 at 5:44:59 AM

Nvm

Edited by Memers on Oct 30th 2020 at 5:57:57 AM

doctor05 Since: Sep, 2015
#336137: Oct 30th 2020 at 5:45:49 AM

[up] [up] thank goodness... if that happens America democracy is no better than fricken RUSSIAN "democracy"

Edited by doctor05 on Oct 30th 2020 at 5:46:13 AM

archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#336138: Oct 30th 2020 at 6:01:43 AM

Unless the GOP wants to face complete and utter destruction at the hands of the people for trying to turn the United States into a banana republic by this blatant trashing of the Constitution and everything America is supposed to stand for, they won't back him on this.

It’s nothing quite so melodramatic. An attempt by Trump to stay in office would never even make it to the “people rise up” point, there are numerous failsafes and alternatives, as well as significant practical issues.

They should have sent a poet.
Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#336139: Oct 30th 2020 at 6:06:44 AM

Wow I did the math, 400k ballots is around 10% of Minnesota’s registered voters. Biden leads between 5-16%.

Well let’s hope the bulk arrive in the 3 postal days till election.

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#336140: Oct 30th 2020 at 6:07:43 AM

Keep in mind that this is less the Postal Service dragging their feet and more exactly what Republicans hoped for when they kneecapped the service.

It's been fun.
Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#336141: Oct 30th 2020 at 6:10:08 AM

Well... yes.

It looks to be very effective.

Edited by Memers on Oct 30th 2020 at 6:33:39 AM

doctor05 Since: Sep, 2015
#336142: Oct 30th 2020 at 6:10:24 AM

good to see that if Trump loses this election there is no way he can remain in office. I am glad I won't have to see that face in 2021

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#336143: Oct 30th 2020 at 6:32:21 AM

I know I keep saying this, but "no way" is wildly overstating it. Trump can't just declare "Nuh uh, I won" and flat-out refuse to leave the White House in January 2021. (Well, he could, but it would just lead to the most ignominious ending to his presidency possible with him being forcibly evicted). But - particularly with the total moral bankruptcy of Republicans as his allies - there are very much ways he could challenge the results in court. They'd probably only work if the election is close, but it's not like a Biden landslide is a safe bet: Trump still can win legitimately, after all.

Mind you, I don't want to overstate that possibility either: he'd have to win every swing state where Biden is not up by more than five points in the polls, so it's a difficult path that essentially requires a repeat of 2016's polling errors.

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#336144: Oct 30th 2020 at 6:34:23 AM

Speaking of, Trump tweeted during the night that the only way Biden could win is if the Supreme Court hands it to him. So it seems pretty obvious that unless the outcome is definitively for Trump, he plans to contest it in court. Lovely.

Also, shouldn't this count as coercion?

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#336145: Oct 30th 2020 at 6:39:19 AM

I mean, I'd not bet against Trump only being shown highly edited polls as the WH Staff is waiting for the apocalypse

Edited by 3of4 on Oct 30th 2020 at 2:39:29 PM

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doctor05 Since: Sep, 2015
#336146: Oct 30th 2020 at 6:40:39 AM

surely Republicans won't go against the clear winner of electorial college... popular votes maybe...

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#336147: Oct 30th 2020 at 6:41:47 AM

In this situation, plan for the worst to be honest.

The suppression and straight up fixing attempts by the republicans are not a factor in polls.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#336148: Oct 30th 2020 at 6:49:49 AM

[up][up] Never assume Republicans will do the correct or moral thing.

[down] If that's meant as a response to me, then I am not sure what you're asking.

Edited by sgamer82 on Oct 30th 2020 at 6:52:18 AM

doctor05 Since: Sep, 2015
#336149: Oct 30th 2020 at 6:50:12 AM

[up] [up] didn't Republicans try that last election?

Edited by doctor05 on Oct 30th 2020 at 6:52:48 AM

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#336150: Oct 30th 2020 at 7:09:25 AM

Republicans do that every election. Voter suppression is a key element in keeping them competitive despite a minority of support. If the GOP wasn't out there suppressing urban votes in every state they can, then Democrats would wield a lot more power than we do now.

Republican ideology appeals mostly to a shrinking demographic of old middle and upper class white men. They can't win elections on vote count alone, so they have to make those people's votes count more than everyone else's - both by way of preventing other people from voting and by the sheer fact that a single vote in Wyoming is worth more votes than a single vote in New York.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 30th 2020 at 7:11:39 AM

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