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#336101: Oct 29th 2020 at 8:22:03 PM

[up] That is my point, sorry if I was unclear.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#336102: Oct 29th 2020 at 8:57:25 PM

We have strong reason to think that there are far less undecided voters this year, and Biden enjoys a stronger and more consistent favorability rating than Hillary in all relevant states. In addition, If there's some kind of smoking gun for the GOP to pull on Biden on par with the Comey thing, they would have already done it.

I have the suspicion not a single person changed their vote about Hillary's e-mails. It was just an excuse to vote for Trump.

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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#336103: Oct 29th 2020 at 8:58:33 PM

As of 10 p.m. local time, Harris County, Texas early voting has surpassed the total turn out for 2016.

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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#336104: Oct 29th 2020 at 9:09:40 PM

Tucker Carlson says it's time to leave Hunter Biden alone

I.E. It wasn't sticking nor did they have anything substantial anyway lol

Steven (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#336105: Oct 29th 2020 at 9:15:34 PM

But his laptop!

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nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#336106: Oct 29th 2020 at 9:46:27 PM

I have the suspicion not a single person changed their vote about Hillary's e-mails. It was just an excuse to vote for Trump.

Emphatically disagree. The mindset that they were both equally bad/corrupt may have been the result of years of Fox propaganda and sexism, but it was very real. My own grandfather - a lifelong Democrat who explicitly wants to punch Trump in the face - was quite clear that he saw his vote for Clinton as choosing the lesser of two evils.

I don't know how many people could have actually told you the substance of the e-mail story and why it was bad, but... As the saying goes, no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. That's not just limited to committed Republicans.

There is no doubt in my mind that if Biden manages to win, his advantage with the "screw 'em both" block of voters will have played a part.

Edited by nrjxll on Oct 29th 2020 at 11:48:40 AM

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#336107: Oct 29th 2020 at 10:47:05 PM

Aye, the "shy Trump voter" might be a myth but the "late deciding voter whose eventual preference doesn't necessarily show up in polls" definitively existed in 2016. And it broke for Trump then. This year? It seems like more of that group prefer Biden and since the October Surprise today is the third wave of COVID-19 that is bringing Wisconsin's hospitals (and elseqhere) to the breaking point, it wouldn't be surprising.

Edited by SeptimusHeap on Oct 29th 2020 at 6:47:28 PM

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jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#336108: Oct 29th 2020 at 10:52:03 PM

Another thing to add is that group is much smaller this time around. Most people have there opinions baked in about Trump and Biden

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#336109: Oct 29th 2020 at 10:52:10 PM

The last time I checked before the wave Wisconsin was already way out of margin of error range for Biden at like what, 8 points or something? At the moment, 538 gives the race a 93% chance of going to Biden, I'm assuming part because of that newer poll where he was 17% on Trump. I don't think the margin he'll win by will be that big but I think the fact that it was done by a highly rated pollster with good methodology at least indicates Biden is quite strong there atm.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#336110: Oct 29th 2020 at 11:21:20 PM

It's Wisconsin's neighbor I'm concerned about as far as the election is concerned. A number of polling locations in Iowa are shutting down because of the virus.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#336111: Oct 30th 2020 at 1:10:24 AM

Oh it’s too close to the election to be pulling that. I know Iowa has a slight red leaning but crap.

Overall, this affects some 670,000 Iowans, 30% of the state's registered voters. Those affected by the changes overwhelmingly live in the state's urban areas, which reliably vote Democratic. And the closures are happening at a time of multiple competitive races in the state.

Edited by Memers on Oct 30th 2020 at 1:13:19 AM

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#336112: Oct 30th 2020 at 1:19:21 AM

OTOH this will mainly hinder in-person voters and Iowa is not that heavily reliant on them as noted in the article. And as has been discussed elsewhere, in person voters are likely to be Trump voters.

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#336113: Oct 30th 2020 at 1:23:04 AM

Additionally, no-excuse absentee voting is much more established here than in other states, with 40% of Iowa voters casting an absentee ballot during the 2016 election.

A relevant number.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#336114: Oct 30th 2020 at 1:28:17 AM

Iowa also isn't particularly vital for Biden. I'd be more concerned about how that might affect the senate election there. The Democrat is apparently ahead, but it's still a toss-up.

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#336115: Oct 30th 2020 at 1:33:36 AM

Yeah while an area might be heavily Democratic it will still have Republican voters, if they can’t get to the polls while Democrats have all voted by mail, that helps Democrats.

It sucks for democracy though, well it does and it doesn’t, Republicans being rendered unable to vote is in a vacuumed very bad for democracy, but them not voting could be what enables democrats to bring through fixes to the barriers to voting.

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#336116: Oct 30th 2020 at 1:38:47 AM

So, how much do y'all wanna bet that, if Biden wins, Fox & co will somehow suddenly remember the pandemic and start railing against Biden for not having solved it yet from the moment he takes the oath?

Roll a Constitution saving throw to make it through the year.
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#336117: Oct 30th 2020 at 1:41:37 AM

I will gladly take that bet because I'm quite certain they'll start blaming Biden retroactively and foisting it back to Obama.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#336118: Oct 30th 2020 at 1:42:47 AM

I'm not betting against that. They already did that with the financial crisis, pinning it all on Obama.

Edited by M84 on Oct 30th 2020 at 4:43:16 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
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#336119: Oct 30th 2020 at 1:46:09 AM

Hahaha, no bet.

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RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#336120: Oct 30th 2020 at 1:47:14 AM

And here we demonstrate the difference between accepting the terms of the bet as written and the general intention. tongue

3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#336121: Oct 30th 2020 at 3:25:32 AM

Glenn Greenwald resigns from the Intercept over ‘editorial freedom’

Glenn Greenwald resigned from The Intercept for the High Crime of his editors doing their jobs.

The Apple of Discord is an article in which he bashed the Media for not going into a feeding frenzy about the Hunter Biden story from the NYP, which honestly tells me everything I need to decide which side I believe here

Edited by 3of4 on Oct 30th 2020 at 11:28:28 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#336122: Oct 30th 2020 at 3:32:51 AM

[up]

“The Intercept’s editors, in violation of my contractual right of editorial freedom, censored an article I wrote this week, refusing to publish it unless I remove all sections critical of Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden, the candidate vehemently supported by all New-York-based Intercept editors involved in this effort at suppression,”

My reaction (and probably the editors' reaction too):

The following is how I imagine things went down when he decided to quit:

Glenn Greenwald: Screw you guys! I'll go and Start My Own news site!

Intercept editors: ...You already did. You're one of this site's cofounders.

Glenn Greenwald: ...<starts ranting about censorship before retreating>

Edited by M84 on Oct 30th 2020 at 6:38:21 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#336123: Oct 30th 2020 at 3:57:13 AM

Here's the nasty thing.

Joe Biden wanted to go back to normalcy with the Republican Party. Build bridges. Stay the course. Repeatedly, the Republicans have gone after his FAMILY with criminal charges. As such, Joe has gone further and further left.

What did they think was going to happen?

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#336124: Oct 30th 2020 at 4:08:08 AM

They expected the Dems to ask "May I have another, Sir?"

What makes you think the GOP lives in the same world als the rest of us

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#336125: Oct 30th 2020 at 4:08:37 AM

They expected Joe Biden to crash and burn. Probably because they convinced themselves that the shit they said about Joe Biden being senile was true.

When making a con, be careful not to fall for it yourself.

Edited by M84 on Oct 30th 2020 at 7:09:50 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised

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