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#335926: Oct 28th 2020 at 7:46:54 PM

I'm happy I grew up in one of the parts of Virginia that isn't unashamedly racist. But for the grace of God, I might have been one of these shits we see on TV.

[up] I think you fail to appreciate the degree of identity that states take on. It's a real point of pride. Anyway, I'm not even sure that there is a method for something like that in the Constitution. We can admit new states, but there's no provision for dissolving them.

Edited by Fighteer on Oct 28th 2020 at 10:47:54 AM

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#335927: Oct 28th 2020 at 7:51:26 PM

Has anyone ever considered merging states with low populations with each other or denser states? That could help quite a lot already with mismatched representation of states, I think.

No state would agree to that. As much as some people would like to abolish states or reduce their power, much of the population likes being Californians, or Iowans, or Texans.

megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#335929: Oct 28th 2020 at 7:55:40 PM

[up]x3 My impression is that you could theoretically merge states if every state involved agreed to it. It's just politically implausible because, as said, what state government would agree to self-destruction?

[up]Counter-example. If mainly because I've gotten shat on for that so much now.

Edited by megarockman on Oct 28th 2020 at 10:58:00 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#335930: Oct 28th 2020 at 8:01:24 PM

This isn't even taking into account just how incredibly complicated it'd be to decide which state's laws to apply.

For crying out loud, the age of consent isn't even the same in every state.

Edited by M84 on Oct 28th 2020 at 11:02:19 PM

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RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#335931: Oct 28th 2020 at 8:02:18 PM

Inherit from the state that wins a coin flip.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#335932: Oct 28th 2020 at 8:14:55 PM

I don't trust Nevada not to use a double headed coin.

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#335933: Oct 28th 2020 at 8:16:47 PM

Get the coin from some guy off the street in Albania or something. tongue

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#335934: Oct 28th 2020 at 8:18:16 PM

As if Nevada would settle for a simple coin toss.

They'd probably insist on deciding laws via a poker tournament.

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nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#335935: Oct 28th 2020 at 8:19:23 PM

Unrelated to the above, but... I kind of wonder, even if Trump does lose, how much long-term damage to people's mental health is there going to be? I personally am certain that while it'd exist either way, the whole "doomscrolling" concept I've been seeing mentioned a lot lately is being mentioned a lot lately as a direct result of 2016 and not having been "prepared" in the past for a Trump victory (even though, like I've said before, from where I'm standing there is literally no way to prepare for a second Trump victory).

I'm curious what kind of serious research's been done on this - and on how much it goes both ways, given how it seems like one of the central factors keeping people loyal to the Republican Party is fear of "the left.". As I've said, it's a topic that I have some personal connections to.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#335937: Oct 28th 2020 at 8:30:29 PM

[up][up]There's little point to worrying over something like this now.

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nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#335938: Oct 28th 2020 at 8:34:53 PM

I'm talking about his presidency in general, not just this election.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#335939: Oct 28th 2020 at 8:37:03 PM

There's no point in worrying over hypothetical mental health issues right now. There are already more pressing issues that we do know about.

Edited by M84 on Oct 28th 2020 at 11:37:17 PM

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nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#335940: Oct 28th 2020 at 8:46:23 PM

Yeah, but those issues have been hashed over to death.

I'm honestly not sure why you find this an unreasonable thing to think about. I'm hardly asking anyone to worry about it (I myself do not have the mental space left to worry about anything new).

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#335941: Oct 28th 2020 at 8:53:03 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] Three times the number cast by youth at this time in 2016. Which isn’t so surprising, as early and mail-in voting makes up a much larger share of the vote this year than in previous years, esp. among Democrats.

It’s not three times the total youth vote in 2016, and given the circumstances (pandemic, more remote and early voting) doesn’t tell us a lot about total youth turnout.

Edited by Galadriel on Oct 28th 2020 at 11:55:17 AM

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#335942: Oct 28th 2020 at 8:55:52 PM

[up]I figured there might have been something I might have misread about the data point, that makes more sense.

That being said, the article still addresses this:

The final magnitude of the youth vote, and its share of the electorate, remains to be seen. It’s possible that young people are voting early but will not show up in big numbers in the final week of the election — muting their impact on the race between President Trump and his Democratic challenger, former Vice President Joe Biden.

But analysts think that’s unlikely.

The early voting by young people seems to be picking up where it left off in the 2018 midterm election. Analysis of exit polls showed voters 18 to 24 years old had a higher turnout in that midterm election than in any dating back to 1974. They nearly tripled their participation compared with the 2014 midterm election. Early voters line up to cast their ballots at the South Regional Library polling location in Durham, N.C., Thursday, Oct. 15, 2020. (AP Photo/Gerry Broome)

That fervor seems to extend into this year, a CNN poll suggests. Some 51% of registered voters 18 to 34 say they are extremely or very enthusiastic to vote in 2020. In 2016, that number was 30%.

Not that I necessarily think a youth vote tsunami is necessarily coming in texas or across the country is a guarantee but it would not surprise me if the youth vote was higher this election overall.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Oct 28th 2020 at 1:05:23 PM

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#335943: Oct 28th 2020 at 10:34:29 PM

On sidenote, if those people who got stranded in cold without bus after Trump's rally still support him(especially if they got hospitalized), then I guess they literally will never change their mind even if it kills them tongue

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#335944: Oct 28th 2020 at 10:41:24 PM

Owning the libs is worth any price! Even if it was completely unnecessary and does not own the libs in the slightest!

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#335945: Oct 28th 2020 at 11:41:58 PM

[up][up]I mean, it's not like everyone hasn't known this from - if not the very start - at least a long stretch of the pandemic now.

What really gets me are the flunkies he directly put in personal danger without alienating them. I thought for sure Chris Christie was a dead man, yet all he manages to come up with after managing to recover was something along the lines of "maybe the president should be a little stronger in advising wearing masks." That's a lot of loyalty for, AFAIK, no identifiable gain.

Edited by nrjxll on Oct 28th 2020 at 1:42:33 PM

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#335946: Oct 29th 2020 at 1:15:10 AM

I'd assume if DC was made a state/federal land would be shrunk there'd actually be the vot a to repeal the 23rd because I can't see the GOP stalling I'm giving Biden 3 personal EC votes

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#335947: Oct 29th 2020 at 1:20:23 AM

Though nearly 1/3 of DC (~29%) is already federal land.

Edited by M84 on Oct 29th 2020 at 4:20:32 PM

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RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#335948: Oct 29th 2020 at 1:26:35 AM

The House has already passed a relevant bill:

The Washington, D.C. Admission Act would create the state of Washington, Douglass Commonwealth (named after Frederick Douglass). As a state, the Douglass Commonwealth would receive two Senators and representation in the House of Representatives based on population (a single representative would be apportioned for the foreseeable future). The admission act would carve out a smaller federal district, dubbed "the Capital"; this would consist of the White House, U.S. Capitol, other federal buildings, and the National Mall and monuments. The bill included a section on repealing the 23rd amendment, which grants the district three electoral votes on presidential elections. Were the 23rd amendment not to be repealed, the residents of the White House – i.e. the presidential family –, as the only residents of the newly smaller federal district, would get the aforementioned three votes on the Electoral College.

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#335949: Oct 29th 2020 at 1:31:19 AM

I'm a little confused. The 23rd amendment grants DC residents the right to vote. Why would it need to be repealed for them to retain that right if it became a state?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#335950: Oct 29th 2020 at 1:36:02 AM

The post right above you has a passage explaining it:

The bill included a section on repealing the 23rd amendment, which grants the district three electoral votes on presidential elections. Were the 23rd amendment not to be repealed, the residents of the White House – i.e. the presidential family –, as the only residents of the newly smaller federal district, would get the aforementioned three votes on the Electoral College.

Edited by LSBK on Oct 29th 2020 at 3:36:48 AM


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