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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
And the fearmongering cottage industry strikes again.
Trump couldn’t get the national guard to clear protesters from outside the White House, they’re not going to invade polling stations for him.
That leaves him with federal law enforcement, who would end up facing off against the national guard regiments sent in by the governor of whatever state such events occurred in. They also lack the numbers to act on a large number of polling places.
Edited by Silasw on Oct 26th 2020 at 8:08:32 AM
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranA few good people are still in there, like Bill Weld, but yeah, their numbers are dwindling.
Libertarian politicians are not good people. I have a pre-existing condition, if Mr. Weld had his way I'd be either bankrupt or dead.
And that's just me, the policies they support are harmful in the vast majority of situations.
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang![]()
You mistake the premise, the national guard would be called in to break up riots and close off streets in the case of a declaration of emergency.
And I have read Trump's book, it was an interesting read, and gives a good window into what made Trump into what he is today, and his messed up family (almost nothing on his own children, though, this is very much about Trump's siblings and parents). It will make a fine basis for a dramatic miniseries someday, I'm sure.
Edited by Redmess on Oct 26th 2020 at 9:17:13 AM
Hope shines brightest in the darkest times![]()
He was libertarian, I am not aware of him still spouting these former positions, he now describes himself as "Fiscally conservative."
Which yeah, is not liberal, but he is still a Republican. Other than that, he is Pro LGBT/Same Sex marriage, Pro Choice, Pro Legalization, doesn't deny climate change and was in favour of impeaching Trump.
If I had to choose between him or some shitty Democrat like Bloomberg, Williamson or Gabbard, I'd take him within a heartbeat.
Edited by Forenperser on Oct 26th 2020 at 9:20:02 AM
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianYes they would be called in, by the state’s governor, whose orders they would follow. The key swing states have democrat governors, who aren’t going to order their national guard regiments to seize ballots or destroy them.
The premise is faulty because it assumes that Trump is the only authority in such a situation, he’s not, the US has a federal system and states control their national guard regiments, also the national guard commanders have a history of telling Trump to shove it when he tries to get them to do illegal things.
If the idea is just that there may be violence at the polls, well then Trump is truly fucked, because Biden’s voters are all voting early, so election day violence is going to result in Trump’s voters not wanting to risk it while Biden’s sit safe at home tanking their stars they cast their vote a week ago.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran![]()
The problem there is the similar to the problem with “I don’t see color.” Strictly speaking it’s not as bad, but they have a way of turning a blind eye when someone else discriminates against the minority, particularly subtly. For example, whenever medical care makes up some bs not to provide their best level of care toward the minority people. (Pre-existing conditions seem to be the default go-to.)
Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Oct 26th 2020 at 4:25:56 AM
My musician pageIf Biden wins, he really needs to pass a law that bars armed militias from showing up at the polls. It’s ugly, blatant voter intimidation.
But given the right-wing supreme court, they might even throw a common-sense law like that out on Second Amendment grounds. Cause a bunch of far-right guys with guns and Confederate flags hanging out at polling stations couldn’t possibly get in the way of black people voting. They’re just exercising their constitutional rights!
Edited by Galadriel on Oct 26th 2020 at 4:28:02 AM
He was libertarian, I am not aware of him still spouting these former positions, he now describes himself as "Fiscally conservative."
Which yeah, is not liberal, but he is still a Republican. Other than that, he is Pro LGBT/Same Sex marriage, Pro Choice, Pro Legalization, doesn't deny climate change and was in favour of impeaching Trump.
If I had to choose between him or some shitty Democrat like Bloomberg, Williamson or Gabbard, I'd take him within a heartbeat.
Going from libertarian to fiscal conservatism is no change at all.
Once again, I have a pre-existing condition. Fiscal conservatism demands that I be sacrificed on the altar of lower taxes for rich people.
You mention Climate Change, there is no solution for climate change that is fiscally conservative. And the rest of those positives? Libertarians support them too, it doesn't make the harm they do any less real.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Oct 26th 2020 at 1:28:30 AM
"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji YangI believe that the alt-right have a term "clown world" which refers in some way to the idea that Jews control the world (I guess the idea is that this is like a truth that no one dares to admit).
I'm not familiar with the channel, and maybe they chose the title because they liked Finding Nemo or something, but given the above, I would doubt they are a good news source.
Edit - Looking them up, the videos seem like standard Gamergate/Comicsgate type stuff about cancel culture and Hollywood Social Justice Warriors. So bad, but not Nazis at least from the video description.
But still wondering why you are considering them as a news source.
Edited by Hodor2 on Oct 26th 2020 at 4:16:23 AM
Libertarians are always fine with people having the right to oppress other people if push came to shove. Fuck 'em
Edit: Capitalist Libertarians, that is.
Edited by GoldenKaos on Oct 26th 2020 at 2:18:06 AM
"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."I am not considering them, but I have an American friend who does not watch TV and distrusts any big media as being biased by default, and instead swears by Youtube channels like Clownfish TV, and is under the impression that this sort of channel is more honest because it isn't some big media organization.
And yes, they voted for Trump, not because of believing in his actual policies, but because they think the public is being misled about what Trump actually does or says. When I brought up several of the things he does, I got the standard justifications you'd expect from Republicans: kids in cages wasn't his fault, he actually denounced white supremacists, etc.
I don't think this is a bad person at all, just a centrist who doesn't know what media to trust any more and puts too much stock in Youtube sources with questionable biases of their own. And I'm trying to figure out how to deal with that.
Oh, and the vote for Trump is also partly because Biden gets walked over by everyone and will be a Harris puppet, apparently. Well, when that's what the "news" tells you, is it any wonder they don't know who to vote for any more?
Edited by Redmess on Oct 26th 2020 at 10:26:20 AM
Hope shines brightest in the darkest timesI confess my first thought is "Just because they're more honest doesn't mean they aren't deluding themselves."
Edited by sgamer82 on Oct 26th 2020 at 2:27:08 AM
I'm not denying that, but how do you get someone out of such a tiny media bubble they have created for themselves? How do you show that a media source is unbiased and can be trusted?
More like Trump denialism, I think.
Edited by Redmess on Oct 26th 2020 at 10:31:49 AM
Hope shines brightest in the darkest times

Another interesting quote:
This basically means any arguments about mail in voting not favouring either party are moot, because Republicans are specifically changing their voting behaviour because they believe mail in voting favours Democrats, making it a self fulfilling prophecy.
And some speculation about the sort of thing that could happen on election day:
Then suppose the president declares an emergency. Federal personnel in battle dress, staged nearby in advance, move in to restore law and order and secure the balloting. Amid ongoing clashes, they stay to monitor the canvass. They close the streets that lead to the polls. They take custody of uncounted ballots in order to preserve evidence of fraud.
“The president can’t cancel the election, but what if he says, ‘We’re in an emergency, and we’re shutting down this area for a period of time because of the violence taking place’?” says Norm Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute. If you are in Trump’s camp and heedless of boundaries, he said, “what I would expect is you’re not going to do one or two of these things—you’ll do as many as you can.”
Edited by Redmess on Oct 26th 2020 at 9:02:21 AM
Hope shines brightest in the darkest times