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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#335226: Oct 25th 2020 at 10:58:03 AM

We don't work with districts at all. A vote for your party is a vote for your party no matter where you live, and your vote matters no matter how many seats your party has.

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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#335227: Oct 25th 2020 at 10:59:27 AM

Senate votes to advance vote on Barrett SCOTUS nomination; confirmation expected tomorrow.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
Memers Since: Aug, 2013
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#335229: Oct 25th 2020 at 11:02:30 AM

No, we aren't.

Biden and Harris repeatedly refused to rule out court-packing when pressured, and Schumer(!) said that "nothing is off the table".

I get being concerned but let's not immediately accept defeat shall we?

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Oct 25th 2020 at 11:02:57 AM

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
DingoWalley1 Asgore Adopts Noelle Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
Asgore Adopts Noelle
#335230: Oct 25th 2020 at 11:05:10 AM

Also, rushing Barrett's nomination like this will probably cause Democrats to come out in droves not just for the next week, but also on Election Day. Democrats are already crushing it with early voting (in most States, looking at you Florida), there's no way Democrats are going to say "Well, they got their justice, so I am not voting".

ScubaWolf from South Carolina Since: Feb, 2020
#335231: Oct 25th 2020 at 11:18:53 AM

If anything, pushing through the nomination will lead to the greatest reckoning the Republicans will ever experience. If I were the democrats, I'd be looking at not only court packing, but also the removal of certain Republican Justices for their personal actions over the past 4 years. Lines have been crossed, and it's time for them to pay their dues.

"In a move surprising absolutely no one"
TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#335232: Oct 25th 2020 at 11:39:20 AM

Democrats are already crushing it with early voting (in most States, looking at you Florida)

The Florida EV is actually closer than most people think. Democrats have a huge lead in mail-in voting, but Republicans have a decent lead in early in-person voting.

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Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#335233: Oct 25th 2020 at 11:40:25 AM

@Redmess: That can work in the Netherlands because the Netherlands is tiny. In a geographically large country like the US or Canada, though, there’s immense geographical diversity, and you need local representation in the legislature.

Edited by Galadriel on Oct 25th 2020 at 2:40:52 PM

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#335234: Oct 25th 2020 at 11:43:22 AM

McConnell's been gloating:

After the Senate voted to move forward with the final vote to confirm Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court, Mitch McConnell spoke on the Senate floor, celebrating the lasting influence of the vote for posterity.

"By tomorrow night, we'll have a new member of the United States Supreme Court," he told the chamber.

McConnell acknowledged that this election could change the tide in Washington but said that not much could be done to change the nature of the court "for a long time to come".

It looks to me like he's deliberately baiting the Democrats into packing the courts.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Oct 25th 2020 at 6:47:23 PM

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ScubaWolf from South Carolina Since: Feb, 2020
#335235: Oct 25th 2020 at 11:57:00 AM

[up] He's under the assumption he'll still be in office in the Senate after Election Day. Should he and all the other Republicans lose though, all that gloating will be for naught.

"In a move surprising absolutely no one"
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#335236: Oct 25th 2020 at 11:59:04 AM

I wouldn't count on Mc Connell losing. However the GOP might not have control of the senate if multiple others do.

megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#335237: Oct 25th 2020 at 12:00:56 PM

Possible he isn't thinking that many moves ahead and just thinks the Democrats wouldn't have the balls to court-pack?

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
ScubaWolf from South Carolina Since: Feb, 2020
#335238: Oct 25th 2020 at 12:03:13 PM

[up] He seems to forget that Viewers are Goldfish and Republicans probably wouldn't remember the fact Democrats did stack the court come 2024.

Edited by ScubaWolf on Oct 25th 2020 at 3:03:36 PM

"In a move surprising absolutely no one"
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#335239: Oct 25th 2020 at 12:05:14 PM

I get we're in the mind of thinking of Mc Connell as this calculating Chess Master, but we shouldn't just disregard the chance that he's a Republican, basking in something that Republicans won't, without thinking about the larger potential consequences.

I'm not going to make any proclamations about how this will definitely help the Democrats or screw us over forever. I do have to wonder how damaging this woman is going to be, though, and don't blame anyone for being worried about it.

Edited by LSBK on Oct 25th 2020 at 2:06:20 PM

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#335240: Oct 25th 2020 at 12:08:47 PM

I remember when the House Republicans practically threw a party when they passed legislation to repeal the ACA they thought for sure the Senate would pass.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#335241: Oct 25th 2020 at 12:22:36 PM

My boyfriend and I went to early vote yesterday. It only took about 15 to 30 minutes, luckily, but in the city nearby, where they have been deliberately restricting the number of voting sites, some people had to wait up to seven hours.

If you live in the US, please make sure you have a plan to vote ASAP!

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#335242: Oct 25th 2020 at 12:28:04 PM

How much is the Barret nomination seen as a swing issue?

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#335243: Oct 25th 2020 at 12:35:32 PM

I think B is going to be drowned out by C in due course as cases continue to grow.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#335244: Oct 25th 2020 at 12:38:23 PM

My boyfriend and I went to early vote yesterday. It only took about 15 to 30 minutes, luckily, but in the city nearby, where they have been deliberately restricting the number of voting sites, some people had to wait up to seven hours.

If you live in the US, please make sure you have a plan to vote ASAP!

Nice, it was pretty fast for me too. It may have been less than 20 minutes. [tup]

I've also heard horror stories about long voting times, people definitely do need to make a voting plan if they're able to vote.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Oct 25th 2020 at 12:38:35 PM

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megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#335245: Oct 25th 2020 at 1:11:08 PM

Moreso if you live in a Republican-controlled state.

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#335246: Oct 25th 2020 at 1:11:31 PM

I voted the Thursday before last Thursday and it went pretty quickly, probably because I went there around 9 a.m.

Everyone else voting there was fairly old so I don't know if it was mostly trump supporters or not.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#335247: Oct 25th 2020 at 1:25:07 PM

Last poll I saw had Biden leading among seniors pretty comfortably.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#335248: Oct 25th 2020 at 1:25:29 PM

I sometimes wonder if Republicans don't care about losing the election as much as they care about getting their supreme court pick through,since they can try again in four years time ifd they lose but their supreme court pick can't simply be changed

Then again,that would require long term planning,so I dunno

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nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#335249: Oct 25th 2020 at 1:52:13 PM

Huh, it looks like I was wrong yesterday when I said that a constitutional amendment would be needed to apply term limits to Supreme Court Justices. According to Fix the Courts:

The Supreme Court Term Limits and Regular Appointments Act (link) - introduced Sept. 29 by Reps. Ro Khanna, Don Beyer and Joe Kennedy III - is the first-ever bill that would end life tenure at the high court for future justices in favor of an 18-year term, after which justices would serve on a lower court for as long as they wanted or would temporarily fill in at SCOTUS in case of an unexpected vacancy. Since introduction, the bill has picked up four additional co-sponsors.

The article itself is about 31 legal scholars (including Ted Kaufman, a Biden advisor and former Dem. Senator) who endorse the bill.

I still think term-limits on their own will be insufficient to undo the damage that the GOP have done to the courts and court-packing is still needed, but they are a long-term fix to address the politicization of the courts.

Edited by nova92 on Oct 25th 2020 at 1:59:02 AM

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#335250: Oct 25th 2020 at 1:55:37 PM

Moreso if you live in a Republican-controlled state.

It depends on where you live in a Republican state. Areas that are high Democrat/person of color? It will very likely be a nightmare, but if you're in a white area then they'll probably get good electoral funding. Or at least better.

I sometimes wonder if Republicans don't care about losing the election as much as they care about getting their supreme court pick through,since they can try again in four years time ifd they lose but their supreme court pick can't simply be changed

Then again,that would require long term planning,so I dunno

I imagine it's either 1) they're kool-aid drinkers who can't imagine losing or 2) they've written off the election and are focusing on the thing that has the best chance of entrenching of power.

Huh, it looks like I was wrong yesterday when I said that a constitutional amendment would be needed to apply term limits to Supreme Court Justices. According to Fix the Courts:

Niiice, I wasn't sure if it was or wasn't so it's nice to have confirmation.

Personally, I agree with you, we desperately need both court-packing and term limits.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Oct 25th 2020 at 1:57:43 AM

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