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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#333726: Oct 14th 2020 at 10:17:43 AM

At some point, you need to discuss whether demonstrably untrue claims against politicians should be prosecuted as libel. The pendulum has swung too much towards the "freedom to defame" side of the equilibrium, there.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#333727: Oct 14th 2020 at 10:29:20 AM

To be fair, you can't expect people to read 200 page policy proposals either. There needs to be a middle ground there: don't ignore it, but break it down to a size people can consume within a reasonable amount of time, and that is understandable to laymen (you really don't want to foist political jargon on the voting public in general).

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#333728: Oct 14th 2020 at 10:35:58 AM

[up][up][up][up] Yeah that's important to note, like I'm not fond of Clinton AT ALL, but saying she had no policies is just bull.

You know, it's ironic that people like to claim the Media was all for Clinton when ironically coverage of Trump and lack of for Clinton's policies was a reason for 2016's result.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#333729: Oct 14th 2020 at 10:44:36 AM

The media treated Trump as a joke when he was never funny. He was a dangerous criminal and rapist.

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#333730: Oct 14th 2020 at 10:49:04 AM

[up][up][up] The problem is media not acknowledging there IS a 200 page proposal that might have a summary.

Edited by RainehDaze on Oct 14th 2020 at 6:49:16 PM

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#333732: Oct 14th 2020 at 10:54:09 AM

I'd argue it's probably more accurate to say that the media Loves-to-Hate Trump (Fox News excepted). For the most part, they don't quite "like" him, but they do quite like complaining and Trump gives them a lot to complain about. They are, almost literally, professional complainers.

Trump is also able to utilize No Such Thing as Bad Publicity to great effect, which means that the media doesn't have to like him-they still exist in a symbiotic relationship with him. They profit off of complaining, Trump profits off of being complained about.

So, saying the media is biased for or against Trump is a sort of half-truth. In perspective, the media seemingly hates Trump. In terms of practical effect, talking negatively about Trump is still talking about him and that helps Trump quite a bit.

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#333733: Oct 14th 2020 at 11:03:08 AM

Out of curiosity, what do each of you mean when you say 'the media'? The cable networks? Individual journalists? Newspaper? Opinion show hosts? The owners and corporate boards?

By most definitions, both Ben Shapiro and 538 are 'the media.' If you tell me both of those hate Trump then I'm gonna give you a sideways look.

AngrokVa indighost from america, unfortunately Since: Feb, 2012 Relationship Status: Saddled with unnecessary feelings
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#333734: Oct 14th 2020 at 11:09:27 AM

[up][up][up] I'd already registered and voted before the original deadline. Still, that's good news.

Edited by AngrokVa on Oct 14th 2020 at 2:10:41 PM

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Lost in Space
#333735: Oct 14th 2020 at 11:16:11 AM

I mailed our family's ballots today. Rather than risk leaving them in our mailbox, I took them to the local post office. So, now we just need to check in with the state's ballot website every so often to confirm receipt. We also get emails when they are received.

We did our best. I'm going to assume there's no canvassing this year, at least not in-person, I detest phone banking, and I'm in a COVID risk group so I'm not stepping up as a poll worker. So that's all she wrote. I can now officially tune out the election until the results come in.

Can, but won't, of course.

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Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#333736: Oct 14th 2020 at 11:27:04 AM

[up] I don't even live in the US and I can only barely tune out the the election. It's both too exciting and frightening.

Life is unfair...
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#333737: Oct 14th 2020 at 11:28:46 AM

Aye, I am pretty certain that I'll be staying up late next election night. Unfortunately for Central Europeans like I the key developments occur past midnight CET.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SatoshiBakura (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#333738: Oct 14th 2020 at 11:29:45 AM

It’s frustrating. One candidate is grossly unqualified and should have never become president in the first place. This should not be a close race, but Trump has a cult behind him and the media refuses to take their attention off of him. He should have just remained a joke candidate in 2016.

Edited by SatoshiBakura on Oct 14th 2020 at 2:29:59 PM

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#333740: Oct 14th 2020 at 11:34:20 AM

[up] I'm more and more confident in saying Lindsey isn't coming back this year. Shame Harrison won't get Biden to win the State, but at least he'll be great in the Senate.

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#333741: Oct 14th 2020 at 11:38:06 AM

So the New York Post is really trying to generate an October Surprise around Hunter Biden, huh?

I've heard that he may be involved with human trafficking, but I've looked it up and didn't find any news or even any conspiracies saying so; I conclude that this is some conspiracy theory that isn't even peddled very often.

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#333743: Oct 14th 2020 at 11:46:08 AM

So to recap, is there anything to the Hunter Biden story beyond looking like nepotism?

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#333744: Oct 14th 2020 at 11:50:32 AM

Besides Giuliani desperately looking to be relevant again?

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#333745: Oct 14th 2020 at 11:52:11 AM

Videos show closed-door sessions of leading conservative activists: ‘Be not afraid of the accusations that you’re a voter suppressor’ – The footage, covering dozens of hours of Council for National Policy meetings in February and in August, offers an inside view of the group’s obsessions, fears and plans at a pivotal moment in the conservative movement.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/council-national-policy-video/2020/10/14/367f24c2-f793-11ea-a510-f57d8ce76e11_story.html

Don't have more than that. Thought I still had some free articles left

Edited by sgamer82 on Oct 14th 2020 at 11:54:29 AM

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#333746: Oct 14th 2020 at 12:03:00 PM

It’s frustrating. One candidate is grossly unqualified and should have never become president in the first place. This should not be a close race, but Trump has a cult behind him and the media refuses to take their attention off of him. He should have just remained a joke candidate in 2016.

While I share your feelings in-general I think it's worth pointing out that it is not actually a close race. Biden has a 10+ point lead, in a national environment as polarized as ours that's an incredible landslide.

Now, obviously the election hasn't happened yet so we can't call it a landslide just yet but if the polling proves accurate (or if Biden overperforms!) then it won't be close at all.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Oct 14th 2020 at 12:03:11 PM

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#333747: Oct 14th 2020 at 12:19:36 PM

Getting word that NBC scheduled Trump's debate replacement speech on the exact same timeslot as Biden's town hall event.

Fucking scum tier move there.

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CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
#333748: Oct 14th 2020 at 12:23:09 PM

This is where defending the press as the bedrock of a democratic society becomes difficult.

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Resileafs I actually wanted to be Resileaf Since: Jan, 2019
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#333749: Oct 14th 2020 at 12:26:50 PM

"Biden is going to talk about how he's going to make people's lives better? Booooooooring."

"Trump is going to scream for an hour in front of a bought crowd? Put all the cameras there!"

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#333750: Oct 14th 2020 at 12:27:39 PM

Reminder: Whenever someone brings up Hunter Biden, mention how many of Trump's kids work in the White House.

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