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Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#33276: Oct 17th 2012 at 2:14:18 PM

@ Kostya:

Regulations lead to police states in the right's mind.

They can think what they like, Britain isn't the US — so what if they regard us a Police State, and their closest ally at the same time?

@ Pykrete: Unless they are forced to be. And it would be even better if they had to pay for it!

edited 17th Oct '12 2:15:53 PM by Greenmantle

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#33277: Oct 17th 2012 at 2:16:32 PM

[up][up]I know it's cultural but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be changed. Also there's a huge fucking difference between saying you protect free speech and saying that free speech gives you the right to lie. One is giving you the right to say whatever you want without fear of persecution. The other is allowing you to mislead the public by making stuff up when your protection comes from the agreement that you will inform the public.

News authorities should be things that people can listen to without fear of being misinformed but they're not. In effect Fox and such are not doing their jobs as news stations therefore I don't feel they should be granted the protections of a news organization. Now this doesn't mean they can't form their own opinions and hold them. That's one thing. What they can't do is say things like climate change is a myth, edit charts to make them look better (or make Obama look worse), or use conspiracy theories as sources without claiming that it's a theory that has no substantial evidence behind it.

[up]I know they can think whatever they like, they're entitled to, but that means they change the political landscape to reflect that belief which just allows lies to perpetuate.

edited 17th Oct '12 2:19:16 PM by Kostya

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#33278: Oct 17th 2012 at 2:17:28 PM

[up]

You do realise people in the US are looking abroad for unbiased News, especially towards Britain?

edited 17th Oct '12 2:17:59 PM by Greenmantle

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#33279: Oct 17th 2012 at 2:20:21 PM

[up]Many people are but there are also many that aren't. This is the problem. I don't want to have to rely on the BBC. I want to turn on Fox News or MSNBC and expect to be told the facts and nothing but the facts. Speculation is fine and editorials are fine but they cannot be labelled as facts or unbiased analyses and used to prove things.

edited 17th Oct '12 2:21:07 PM by Kostya

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#33280: Oct 17th 2012 at 2:20:52 PM

[up][up]Or at Comedy Central. It's kind of shameful when the country's best source of news is a comedy show.

edited 17th Oct '12 2:21:16 PM by Fighteer

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RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
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#33281: Oct 17th 2012 at 2:21:17 PM

[up][up][up]Not enough of them. There's a significant demographic who not only couldn't find England on a map, but would be proud of that ignorance, I'd wager.

[up]It makes sense when our politics are a joke.

edited 17th Oct '12 2:22:22 PM by RadicalTaoist

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#33282: Oct 17th 2012 at 2:22:08 PM

[up][up]Shameful but it makes sense. They can say whatever they want and people will just dismiss it because it came from a comedy show and therefore has no journalistic merit.

[up]I once knew a kid that pointed to Japan and said "That's Britain."

Granted we were ten but even I knew where Britain was at that point!

edited 17th Oct '12 2:22:46 PM by Kostya

CaissasDeathAngel House Lewis: Sanity is Relative from Dumfries, SW Scotland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#33283: Oct 17th 2012 at 2:24:27 PM

It took less than a day for "binders full of women" to become a Stupid Statement Dance Mix:

edited 17th Oct '12 2:24:34 PM by CaissasDeathAngel

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RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#33284: Oct 17th 2012 at 2:35:39 PM

Not quite as catchy as Mitt Romney Style.

Has Bad Lip Reading covered the second debate yet? Or even the Ryan Biden debate?

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#33285: Oct 17th 2012 at 2:36:21 PM

I'm not arguing any of that. I'd be okay with anything that goes on the news having to pass the same peer review as would go into a scholarly journal.

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#33286: Oct 17th 2012 at 2:40:38 PM

[up]That's what Ofcom et al basically do: they act as the means by which the media can be held up to the ideals of journalistic integrity. <shrugs> The reason why the teeth are actually quite minimal is to protect free speech whilst ensuring that that doesn't mean any broadcaster has a completely free licence to turn into a jerk or a mouthpiece for any particular cause.

But, hey: Europe views moderation of the media differently. <shrugs>

edited 17th Oct '12 2:41:31 PM by Euodiachloris

#33287: Oct 17th 2012 at 2:49:22 PM

Apparently FOX already corrected the transcript, because the gap is gone now.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#33288: Oct 17th 2012 at 2:50:14 PM

Really?

Okay then. It could have just been a simple accident.

Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#33289: Oct 17th 2012 at 3:00:02 PM

I highly doubt it, but bothering to correct it is a hell of a lot further than they've gone for other things.

Swish Long Live the King Since: Jan, 2001
Long Live the King
#33290: Oct 17th 2012 at 3:04:40 PM

Since it wasn't multiple answers deleted, but rather, a single four minute section that was the only part of the transcript that was missing. And all it really contained was part of Romney's response regarding assault weapons and the beginning of the next question...

Since that wasn't the most damning response from Romney in the debate, I don't see why they would delete it and nothing else if it was deliberate.

GeekCodeRed Since: Sep, 2010
#33291: Oct 17th 2012 at 3:09:11 PM

Has everyone seen Obama's Big Bird ad? [lol]

DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#33292: Oct 17th 2012 at 3:12:52 PM

[up][up] Yeah, and if they fixed it, I'm more willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and say it was probably an accident.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#33294: Oct 17th 2012 at 3:25:19 PM

I just want to note that I still support regulating the news outlets. Even though Fox News sincerely made a mistake this time there are plenty of other times where they either did it on purpose or didn't want to bother correcting their lies.

Psyga315 Since: Jan, 2001
#33295: Oct 17th 2012 at 3:25:49 PM

[up][up][up][up] And speaking of, as anyone seen this? [lol]

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#33296: Oct 17th 2012 at 3:27:00 PM

[up]I've heard that picture was edited.

Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#33297: Oct 17th 2012 at 3:28:50 PM

Yeah, I mean most news outlets I'd assume it was a mistake. Fox has actually done stuff to lose my trust by default, and while I realize they're going to make genuine mistakes as well, sanitizing one of their homeboy's slipups is enough stripes to make me think zebra before horse.

edited 17th Oct '12 3:31:06 PM by Pykrete

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#33299: Oct 17th 2012 at 3:32:50 PM

[up][up]Eh I think I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. I probably shouldn't but I'll allow them a few mistakes. They changed it pretty quick at the very least. Normally when they intentionally edit things they either never correct them or they do so after months and in a way that absolves them of all guilt.

[up]Stein there are better ways to go about doing things than getting arrested.

edited 17th Oct '12 3:34:18 PM by Kostya

GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#33300: Oct 17th 2012 at 3:55:47 PM

N.B.: The "Romney family spells out 'Rmoney'" image is doctored.

Thank you very much. Please stop posting it either like it were true or asking whether it's fake. It is fake.

Also, those aren't his children.


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