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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#332501: Oct 7th 2020 at 6:43:41 PM

This debate's a handy reminder that Pence is a scumbag in his own right.

There's a reason he was on the verge of losing his governorship in a red state.

Edited by M84 on Oct 7th 2020 at 9:44:22 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#332502: Oct 7th 2020 at 6:44:02 PM

Harris starting to get more aggressive on hammering the Trump administration as the debate goes on, which is necessary as the moderator is doing a lukewarm job.

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#332503: Oct 7th 2020 at 6:44:29 PM

All he has is "JOE BIDEN IS GOING TO RAISE TAXES!"

Mullon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#332504: Oct 7th 2020 at 6:44:30 PM

"Is climate change an existential threat?"

"Biden is going to raise taxes."

Never trust anyone who uses "degenerate" as an insult.
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#332505: Oct 7th 2020 at 6:44:39 PM

Kamala roasting Pence by pointing out the country is literally roasting, and flooding, and freezing while Trump and Pence are denying science.

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#332506: Oct 7th 2020 at 6:44:42 PM

Are they at a cow ranch? It would certainly explain all the bullshit lying around.

Pence is indeed full of shit.

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
Scarecrow4774 from In Wonderland Since: Mar, 2017 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#332507: Oct 7th 2020 at 6:44:58 PM

Pence doesn't know how to answer a damn question.

“We’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad.” - Lewis Carroll
SatoshiBakura (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#332508: Oct 7th 2020 at 6:45:08 PM

I think Pence is an actual psychopath. He acts more presidential than Trump, but is lying out his ass and has no empathy for human lives.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#332509: Oct 7th 2020 at 6:45:25 PM

Harris starting to get more aggressive on hammering the Trump administration as the debate goes on, which is necessary as the moderator is doing a lukewarm job.

Yeah, things are much more sedate than the first debate, but I think that has more to do with the candidates' temperaments than the strength of the moderator.

Edited by KarkatTheDalek on Oct 7th 2020 at 9:46:08 AM

Oh God! Natural light!
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#332510: Oct 7th 2020 at 6:46:29 PM

Per Five Thirty Eight's liveblog:

GEOFFREY SKELLEY 9:43 PM Pence attacks Obamacare, but since Trump took office in 2017, the Affordable Care Act has been somewhat more popular than unpopular. So besides revving up the base — not really a problem for Trump — I’m not sure if that’s an attack that’s going to do much for Pence.

Outside of the hardcore base, most of the things Pence is saying sound like things that would actually sway undecided voters towards Biden, given how most of them are for the things he claims Biden supports.

Granted I'm on the left of the political spectrum, but thus far everything Pence has said that isn't a straight-up lie, is something that sounds like a good thing IMO.

Edited by AlleyOop on Oct 7th 2020 at 9:47:24 AM

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#332511: Oct 7th 2020 at 6:47:35 PM

Pence attacks retrofitting like it's a bad thing. Why is it a bad thing to hire people, give them jobs to make plants better?

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#332512: Oct 7th 2020 at 6:47:54 PM

It takes a stunning lack of self-awareness to use "thoughts and prayers" unironically nowadays.

PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#332513: Oct 7th 2020 at 6:47:58 PM

Pence: Well we didn't win the trade war but YOU didn't do anything!

i'm tired, my friend
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#332514: Oct 7th 2020 at 6:48:44 PM

Pence's first attack towards Biden is "he's a cheerleader for Communist China". Again, not an attack that will affect anyone strongly outside of the deep base.

...And we're back to Pence trying to blame COVID on China, recycling statements from earlier in the debate. Hooray for Sinophobia.

Edited by AlleyOop on Oct 7th 2020 at 9:51:25 AM

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#332515: Oct 7th 2020 at 6:50:42 PM

I will say this, Harris clearly isn't concerned about being branded as too "aggressive" or "emotional". She's more animated than Pence and isn't trying to hide it.

And I'm all for that.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
SatoshiBakura (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#332516: Oct 7th 2020 at 6:50:51 PM

Moderator, please do some moderating.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#332517: Oct 7th 2020 at 6:52:17 PM

Pence keeps talking about how Trump will hold China accountable, level the playing field, yadda yadda - Yeah, because that's worked for the past four years.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#332518: Oct 7th 2020 at 6:52:55 PM

Harris is starting to stumble on the question of the China issue. Avoiding condemning them in a way that can seem racist as opposed to legitimate issues on human rights abuses, but also a little too transparent in her dodging of the question.

Edited by AlleyOop on Oct 7th 2020 at 9:53:40 AM

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#332519: Oct 7th 2020 at 6:54:35 PM

Though according to polling, foreign policy is not on the American public's radar this cycle. So this shouldn't really hurt her.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#332520: Oct 7th 2020 at 6:54:47 PM

Harris is now bringing up Russia.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#332521: Oct 7th 2020 at 6:56:59 PM

MAGGIE KOERTH 9:55 PM If you’re liberal, you are paranoid about Russia. If you’re conservative, you are paranoid about China. Who do independents get to fear?

Indeed, this talk of China and Russia seems largely aimed at riling up their respective bases more than persuading undecideds. In that regard Pence is pressing that button more firmly.

Edited by AlleyOop on Oct 7th 2020 at 9:57:25 AM

astrokitty Happiness is a cup of tea from Somewhere Out There Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Happiness is a cup of tea
#332522: Oct 7th 2020 at 6:57:18 PM

So far, it feels like Pence is trying to wildly throw forward a bunch of rehearsed excuses and so far, none of them have been working.

Somebody once told me the world was macaroni, I took a bite out of a tree
AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
She/Her Pronouns
#332523: Oct 7th 2020 at 6:58:26 PM

And if you're socialist, you are paranoid of the USA!

Edited by AzurePaladin on Oct 7th 2020 at 9:59:03 AM

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#332524: Oct 7th 2020 at 6:58:53 PM

This moderator is not firm enough.

Harris is now citing Trump's attacks on the military.

Edited by AlleyOop on Oct 7th 2020 at 10:00:18 AM

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#332525: Oct 7th 2020 at 7:01:06 PM

538 just dropped: Guys, a VP debate is only going to matter if someone screws up terribly. Otherwise, it’s pretty whatever.

Pretty much my take on it. Unless Harris makes a major gaffe, or Pence somehow pulls the speech of his career out of his ass, in the next half hour, this probably won't change much.

And that's good news for Team Biden, because they are ahead.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.

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