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ch00beh ??? from Who Knows Where Since: Jul, 2010
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#33226: Oct 16th 2012 at 11:42:31 PM

I mostly debate because I want a summary of points the other side has to offer so I can come up with a more complete conclusion.

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HilarityEnsues Since: Sep, 2009
#33227: Oct 16th 2012 at 11:43:43 PM

But look at all the times Romney has changed his positions over and over again on various issues. Gun control, abortion, campaign finance reform, whether or not we should've let the auto industry go bankrupt, whether or not we need to massively increase the military budget, whether or not global warming is real... or what about when Obama changed from a an idealistic up and coming candidate into a broken shell of a man who was torn down by the political machine?

There's so much change going on that it's hard to keep track of it sometimes.

edited 16th Oct '12 11:45:23 PM by HilarityEnsues

Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
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#33228: Oct 16th 2012 at 11:45:44 PM

Romney's change is a lot different from Obama's change. Romney hasn't even been in office in years, but he keeps changing positions to court voters in a very, very cynical way. Obama has basically been faced with the reality of running a goddamn nation.

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GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#33229: Oct 16th 2012 at 11:48:13 PM

Why hasn't Romney been repeatedly labeled a flip-flopper by now?

drunkscriblerian Street Writing Man from Castle Geekhaven Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: In season
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#33230: Oct 16th 2012 at 11:48:46 PM

@Glenn: He has, repeatedly.

If I were to write some of the strange things that come under my eyes they would not be believed. ~Cora M. Strayer~
Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
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#33231: Oct 16th 2012 at 11:49:39 PM

Some places have, but a lot of news places probably don't want to be labeled "partisan." >shrugs<

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HilarityEnsues Since: Sep, 2009
#33232: Oct 16th 2012 at 11:56:51 PM

Of course they are different; Obama was simply naive, while Romney was and is a lying snake. I wasn't seriously implying the two scenarios were equivalent.

edited 16th Oct '12 11:57:38 PM by HilarityEnsues

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#33233: Oct 17th 2012 at 12:02:16 AM

I felt the need to note the difference to reduce... something. I'm tired, can't think of the name right now.

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ch00beh ??? from Who Knows Where Since: Jul, 2010
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#33234: Oct 17th 2012 at 12:09:21 AM

reductio ad absurdum is always the best choice when you're loopy from sleep deprivation

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Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#33236: Oct 17th 2012 at 1:24:19 AM

That's at least the third time that's been posted.

ch00beh ??? from Who Knows Where Since: Jul, 2010
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#33237: Oct 17th 2012 at 1:27:59 AM

and no matter how many times it's posted, I can never catch that button :(

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cutewithoutthe Góðberit Norðling Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Star-crossed
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#33238: Oct 17th 2012 at 2:35:10 AM

I really, really think alot of people are underestimating Obama. No, this is not a "lesser of two evils" election. Obama is a pretty damn good candidate, in my opinion. His solution was the best anyone had to offer, and it's helped us recover from what the Bush administration did to us.

Someone said something about still pointing out the Bush administration. "It's been four years!" Well, we're going to feel effects from each president's decision until the day we die. Everything a president does shifts the country, and no decision fades away without leaving a noticeable impression on each and every person in this nation.

It's not easy to keep every promise; welcome to fucking reality. Welcome to the real world. That's how it goes every presidential election. Not every president can keep their promises. Especially when they're just one man. Obama does not have the power of some king. He's just a President, and in the grand scheme of things, he doesn't really have all that much power.

For example, many people blame him on gas prices, when he has nothing to do with those goddamn prices.

The point is, no candidate is perfect, but you don't need to point it out. One, it's obvious, and two, it gives the wrong people more reason to say why Obama wouldn't make a good president. And the thing is, he would. He would make a really good president.

Romney may not turn this country into hell, but I'm going to assure you, he'll be hated ten times more than Bush Jr was when he left office. Our nation's well being, and moral progression, is at stake here, and voting for Third Parties that don't have any chance or not voting at all is not helping at all.

Voting for Obama just because Romney is such a bastard might not sound all that wonderful, but the sad reality is the country cannot afford him. We cannot afford him.

Obama is a good man, and if I could, I sure as hell would vote him into office again. I'm proud to call that man my president; despite the bad decisions he has made, despite all of that, he's done a pretty damn good job so far.

If I can find my Obama button, I'll be wearing it with pride all over my school today.

edited 17th Oct '12 2:35:57 AM by cutewithoutthe

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#33239: Oct 17th 2012 at 3:00:50 AM

[up]

I really, really think alot of people are underestimating Obama. No, this is not a "lesser of two evils" election. Obama is a pretty damn good candidate, in my opinion. His solution was the best anyone had to offer, and it's helped us recover from what the Bush administration did to us.

Someone said something about still pointing out the Bush administration. "It's been four years!" Well, we're going to feel effects from each president's decision until the day we die. Everything a president does shifts the country, and no decision fades away without leaving a noticeable impression on each and every person in this nation.

It's not easy to keep every promise; welcome to fucking reality. Welcome to the real world. That's how it goes every presidential election. Not every president can keep their promises. Especially when they're just one man. Obama does not have the power of some king. He's just a President, and in the grand scheme of things, he doesn't really have all that much power.

For example, many people blame him on gas prices, when he has nothing to do with those goddamn prices.

It's not just something that is unique to the US: David Cameron has the same problems. Although, due to our c.70+% amount of tax on our fuel, the Government can do something on prices, and there is an anti-Trust*

Investigation into the Industry*. Moreover, due to the party he belongs to, he's blamed for things that happened during The '80s.

edited 17th Oct '12 3:01:48 AM by Greenmantle

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Couchpotato20 Will kill you from Hell Since: Apr, 2011
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#33240: Oct 17th 2012 at 3:30:29 AM

I'm curious to know who are these women that Romney has in a binder.

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#33241: Oct 17th 2012 at 3:57:11 AM

George Takei has referenced the binder on his FB account too...is that already a meme? Only saw it for the half hour i watched the debate before I fell asleep (2 am to 4:40 am here...)

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#33242: Oct 17th 2012 at 4:37:21 AM

Yeah. It turned pretty much into a meme before the Debate was even done.

Expect saber rattling from the Democrats about how women are more than just a bunch of names in a book, or some similar thing.

DrunkGirlfriend from Castle Geekhaven Since: Jan, 2011
#33244: Oct 17th 2012 at 6:24:21 AM

[up] Why am I somehow not surprised?

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#33245: Oct 17th 2012 at 6:35:39 AM

They have been calling foul that the question were all from democrats, so they say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXkI1sTDoEg
Joesolo Indiana Solo Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#33247: Oct 17th 2012 at 6:50:52 AM

I've heard people complaining about them calling eachother out. Problem is, when someone's lying they just accuse the other of lying. dammit, we need better lie detectors...

I'm baaaaaaack
terlwyth Since: Oct, 2010
#33248: Oct 17th 2012 at 8:00:11 AM

And the debate seems to be doing diddly-squat to bring back the swing states.

This doesn't bode well

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#33249: Oct 17th 2012 at 8:01:21 AM

I didn't watch the debate — was busy last night, but from the posts here and the media coverage I'd say that Obama satisfied demands to come out swinging. I'm going to watch Stewart and Colbert talk about it tonight, of course. But it seems that if the "liberal" outlets are calling it for Obama and Fox is whining about how rude he was, it's definitely a point hung up on his scoreboard.

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Completion oldtimeytropey from Space Since: Apr, 2012
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#33250: Oct 17th 2012 at 8:32:40 AM

[up][up] Post-debate polls have only just started. We won't see the result of the debate until the end of the week.


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