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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#332401: Oct 7th 2020 at 1:16:49 PM

It is interesting that the race is finally breaking out of its months long period of stability, and in favor of Biden no less.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#332402: Oct 7th 2020 at 1:26:18 PM

Can you be pardoned for IRS stuff? Serious question. The Supreme Court has ruled that it does include ‘Remission of fines and forfeitures’ so yes?

If it gets him out of the White House, fine do it, seriously he just needs to go.

Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#332403: Oct 7th 2020 at 1:29:42 PM

The person (Jon Cooper) saying Trump’s advisors want him to resign is a former chair of both the Obama and Biden campaigns.

Just to say, he’s not exactly impartial, has very obviously reasons to be creating gossip, and should be taken with a large grain of salt. He has the obvious advantage that the White House’s credibility is so low that no one can believably deny any statement he makes.

Edited by Galadriel on Oct 7th 2020 at 4:31:49 AM

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#332404: Oct 7th 2020 at 1:30:16 PM

[up][up][up] In retrospect this really should of been seen as a more plausible outcome.

The fact is a lot of people are only lightly engaged in the news and might not be on social media at all, so they haven't really seen Donald Trump unfiltered and unscripted in years. So while they might of academically understood that Donald Trump was an a-hole, they ultimately cared more about how their own life was going and assumed that he would be tempered by the responsibilities of governance.

The debate however shattered that illusion. Trump hadn't been tempered by the responsibilities of governance, he had actually gotten worse. And the pandemic has impacted people's quality of life in a not so good way.

Edited by Falrinn on Oct 7th 2020 at 1:30:27 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#332405: Oct 7th 2020 at 1:35:19 PM

Amusing interruption, apparently there are racoons on the White House lawn that bothered some reporter,the secret service is battling them..

One might see this an omen or potent,or what exactly I don't know,might have to consult a diviner..

Credible source

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#332406: Oct 7th 2020 at 1:37:34 PM

The irony of it is that had Trump handled the pandemic in a halfway professional and competent manner, he may well have secured a second term.

But professionalism and competence are alien concepts to him.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#332407: Oct 7th 2020 at 1:43:21 PM

If he decided to be a leader at that point and didn't go 'let states handle it without funding', it really could have been his 9/11 moment and get the entire country to rally behind him to fight the virus. And basically coasted to reelection.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#332408: Oct 7th 2020 at 1:44:31 PM

[up][up] True. In Ohio the very Republican and nominally pro-Trump governor has become massively popular just by handling the pandemic in a serious and professional manner.

Well, I should say massively popular...except among hardcore Trump supporters, who now hate his guts. Leading to him getting actively boo'ed at a Trump rally.

Edited by Falrinn on Oct 7th 2020 at 1:44:40 AM

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#332409: Oct 7th 2020 at 2:01:23 PM

So the thing about Pence pardoning Trump is that Trump is under investigation for a lot of state level crimes that Pence can't pardon him for.

I also don't know that that deal is worth it to Pence; he'd almost certainly still lose the election. I suppose he'd get to be President for four months, even if he'd be forced to spend the first one futilely campaigning.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#332410: Oct 7th 2020 at 2:05:24 PM

True, but Trump is getting really desperate, who knows what he will try next.

Hope shines brightest in the darkest times
WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#332411: Oct 7th 2020 at 2:05:36 PM

Don't you first have to be charged with a crime before you can be pardoned for that crime?

ITNW1989 a from Big Meat, USA Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#332412: Oct 7th 2020 at 2:07:21 PM

[up][up][up] I don't think that point about pardons only really working for Federal-level crimes has ever really gotten through to Republicans. Nor is the fact that accepting a pardon also means admitting guilt to what is being pardoned in the first place, much like how Arpaio was blindsided by that.

I wouldn't be surprised if Trump, his cult, and a ton of Republicans are going to endlessly bray "BuT He WaS pArDoNeD" if he does get pardoned and if and when he ever gets arrested by New York.

Edited by ITNW1989 on Oct 7th 2020 at 2:07:32 AM

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megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#332413: Oct 7th 2020 at 2:08:16 PM

No. Ford's pardon of Nixon was for any crimes Nixon might have committed - Nixon was going to be charged but never was afaik.

Edited by megarockman on Oct 7th 2020 at 5:08:59 AM

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#332414: Oct 7th 2020 at 2:18:38 PM

Nor is the fact that accepting a pardon also means admitting guilt to what is being pardoned in the first place, much like how Arpaio was blindsided by that. Ugh. Can we please stop repeating this tall tale? A pardon is not an admission of guilt and does not require a conviction.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#332415: Oct 7th 2020 at 2:22:59 PM

But it does mean surrendering your 5th Amendment privileges on the subject, correct?

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Altris from the Vortex Since: Aug, 2019 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#332416: Oct 7th 2020 at 2:23:52 PM

[up][up]

Legally yes, but in the public eye no, which is what I think was being discussed.

Edited by Altris on Oct 7th 2020 at 2:24:13 AM

So, let's hang an anchor from the sun... also my Tumblr
TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
No longer a forum herald
#332417: Oct 7th 2020 at 3:33:34 PM

Meanwhile, in the Republican efforts to get under Harris's skin...

Summary: Harris made a gaffe last month where she referred to the rapper Tupac Shakur (who is absolutely deceased) as "her favorite living rapper" (emphasis mine), before being corrected. The Republicans have set aside a seat in the debate hall tonight (ticket and all) for Tupac in response, specifically emphasizing that this is not supposed to be a joke.

And in reaction to this, social media is meme-ing that Tupac actually showing up to the debate would be peak 2020.

Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#332418: Oct 7th 2020 at 3:35:27 PM

Wait, there is a live audience to this damn thing?!

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
PointMaid Since: Jun, 2014
#332419: Oct 7th 2020 at 3:38:22 PM

I have a feeling her reaction would be more like, 'This is the best they can do? They think that's going to get under my skin? Heck yeah, let's do this.'

You don't get to be a black female prosecutor, senator and VP candidate without seriously tough skin.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#332420: Oct 7th 2020 at 3:38:50 PM

If that's the best they can get out of it, then we're actually doing pretty good. Because it's nothing compared to Trump's constant malapropisms.

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#332421: Oct 7th 2020 at 3:41:01 PM

It is pretty pathetic. I wonder how long until they break out the racist dogwhistles

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#332422: Oct 7th 2020 at 3:47:40 PM

Dogwhistles are out of fashion. These days they go for open racism and sexism.

astrokitty Happiness is a cup of tea from Somewhere Out There Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Happiness is a cup of tea
#332423: Oct 7th 2020 at 3:47:42 PM

By buying a seat for Tupac, they're reducing the number of people in the audience by one, which has the tiny benefit of reducing the likelihood that somebody gets COVID (albeit by a tiny amount).

Edited by astrokitty on Oct 7th 2020 at 6:47:54 AM

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#332424: Oct 7th 2020 at 3:49:50 PM

But seriously, they are doing an actual audience, in person? During a pandemic?

I figured this was being done virtually, aside from delegations from each campaign.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#332425: Oct 7th 2020 at 3:59:42 PM

Tupac, like Elvis, is memetic for still being alive despite being very dead. So my assumption would be that Harris was making a joke.

And I hate to say it, but Jason Miller also seems to be in on that joke.

Edited by Hodor2 on Oct 7th 2020 at 6:00:50 AM


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