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ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#33176: Oct 16th 2012 at 9:52:08 PM

I can't do math. It's supposed to be 4 billion.

But still

8 million > 4 billion.

This is why we need people who can actually number in politics. Or you know, math education, but people are going to stop learning how to count as soon as PBS is cut.

edited 16th Oct '12 9:53:02 PM by ohsointocats

Lennik (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#33177: Oct 16th 2012 at 9:52:52 PM

"No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn for more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done. But we also know that the lives these Americans led stand in stark contrast to those of their attackers." —Barack Obama, September 12 in Rose Garden, on Benghazi attacks

Now people on the Right are insisting that when Obama said "Acts of terror," he was just referring to terror in general. Even though the rest of his statement shows that he was referring specifically to Benghazi.

This is the game of the Right now. When he says something with his sentence in the wrong order ("You didn't build that"), the Right says he meant it exactly as it came out. When he says something that proves Romney wrong, the Right says he was out of context. Ridiculous.

edited 16th Oct '12 9:53:22 PM by Lennik

That's right, boys. Mondo cool.
pvtnum11 OMG NO NOSECONES from Kerbin low orbit Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
OMG NO NOSECONES
#33178: Oct 16th 2012 at 9:53:48 PM

Well, even then, that's the same ratio difference between four thousand bucks and eight freaking dollars. I can buy a cheeseburger or two with one number, or I can buy everyone at work cheeseburgers for a month with the other.

Happiness is zero-gee with a sinus cold.
ohsointocats from The Sand Wastes Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#33179: Oct 16th 2012 at 9:55:51 PM

Like we wonder why we have money problems in this country, it's because people can't fucking count.

Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
Gunpla is amazing!
#33180: Oct 16th 2012 at 9:59:56 PM

[up][up][up]

Republicans NEVER give ground and say "Yeah he said it"

No, its always out of context or spoken wrong.

Aqueos Nova here from Los Angeles Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Californicating
#33181: Oct 16th 2012 at 10:06:22 PM

[up]Democrats are about as guilty actually.

I think it would be best if we got past the Republicans do this the Democrats do that and just swap to "The political machine does this"

Out of context sound bytes are the currency of the media.

But with that I think it was clear Romney meant Obama never said it was a terrorist attack, I.E. act of terror, not an act of terror as in a horrific act. That whole part of the debate though was sort of dumb, it's not like any president is dealing with the individual security of embassies and consulates.

edited 16th Oct '12 10:07:39 PM by Aqueos

Bet you didn't see that coming
Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
Gunpla is amazing!
#33182: Oct 16th 2012 at 10:06:58 PM

even democrats say Obama got fucking crushed in the first debate.

Republicans would NEVER admit that.

I mean they even tried to spin the 47% scandal.

edited 16th Oct '12 10:07:25 PM by Thorn14

Aqueos Nova here from Los Angeles Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Californicating
#33183: Oct 16th 2012 at 10:08:08 PM

[up]Fox news does not equal republicans.

You're painting with too broad a brush. Still though I will admit, fox news does such a beautiful job of being so biased it's almost hilarious.

edited 16th Oct '12 10:09:14 PM by Aqueos

Bet you didn't see that coming
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#33184: Oct 16th 2012 at 10:08:44 PM

Yeah, the first debate was, from a Republican perspective, a case of Villain Forgot to Level Grind.

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#33185: Oct 16th 2012 at 10:09:32 PM

[up][up]And you are buying into false equivalency.

edited 16th Oct '12 10:10:01 PM by Ekuran

Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
Gunpla is amazing!
#33186: Oct 16th 2012 at 10:11:59 PM

Like it or not, Fox News is the voice of the republicans.

drunkscriblerian Street Writing Man from Castle Geekhaven Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: In season
Street Writing Man
#33187: Oct 16th 2012 at 10:12:31 PM

@Thorn: Not all republicans listen to it. I personally know plenty who hate them.

If I were to write some of the strange things that come under my eyes they would not be believed. ~Cora M. Strayer~
Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
Gunpla is amazing!
#33188: Oct 16th 2012 at 10:14:06 PM

True, but they are THE voice of the republican party.

entropy13 Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#33189: Oct 16th 2012 at 10:23:55 PM

[up][up]If they don't listen to Fox News, then that automatically means they don't listen to anything at all, because remember, every other news outlet are under control of those "filthy liberals".

edited 16th Oct '12 10:24:10 PM by entropy13

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#33190: Oct 16th 2012 at 10:26:19 PM

Okay I missed the debates due to work I forgot I had. Short story shorter, I'm a dumbass sometimes. Can someone give me the cliff notes version?

drunkscriblerian Street Writing Man from Castle Geekhaven Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: In season
Street Writing Man
#33191: Oct 16th 2012 at 10:31:02 PM

@Ace: The candidates played basketball. Obama was Michael Jordan. Romney was Bill O'Reilly. Let your brain fill in the details.

If I were to write some of the strange things that come under my eyes they would not be believed. ~Cora M. Strayer~
Aqueos Nova here from Los Angeles Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Californicating
#33192: Oct 16th 2012 at 10:33:49 PM

[up][up][up]My mother is a pretty staunch Republican. Seriously the number of issues I've had over me being gay ugh... (And honestly it's more complex than the general wave the bible argument in her case so let's not even go there)

Point is she abhors fox news, and generally watches BBC, NHK, or ZDF, and I know she watches nightly business report.. the round table bleh bleh bleh. She watches the local news and gets a bit irritated with the lean but you know whatever. Hell I don't think we even GET fox news.

The point I'm trying to make here more or less is you're trying to paint all Republicans the same color, and it just doesn't work like that. Sure you may be getting a lot of them, but certainly not all of them. Everyone thinks what they're doing is for the best in the end. I swear, there's no puppy eating going on here T.T

edited 16th Oct '12 10:38:38 PM by Aqueos

Bet you didn't see that coming
ch00beh ??? from Who Knows Where Since: Jul, 2010
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#33193: Oct 16th 2012 at 10:36:38 PM

My coworker puts it this way: the republicans are a bunch of cunts and the democrats are a bunch of pussies.

"Never let the truth get in the way of a good story." Twitter
Aqueos Nova here from Los Angeles Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Californicating
#33194: Oct 16th 2012 at 10:37:56 PM

[up][awesome]

Pretty much my point. No one's really floating above this whole mess like some saint.

Bet you didn't see that coming
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#33195: Oct 16th 2012 at 10:39:38 PM

That doesn't mean one party isn't demonstrably better than the other.

Can the false equivalence.

Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ
#33196: Oct 16th 2012 at 10:39:47 PM

and this is why I hate people. The woman who asked about pay inequality is being attacked by right-wing news sources as being a tool, a shill, a femenazi, a liar, etc.

Aque, Fox news is the voice of the Republican party. They have repeatedly been caught red-handed reading directly from GOP memorandums and talking points. It's not merely "this group of people seems to oddly adhere to the same sort of mindset as another group of people," it is in fact "this group of people are directly taking cues from the other group of people as a means to influence them."

For whatever reason, Fox News is seen and used as a means to rally the base, to send out a specific message with great conviction, to change the course of public discourse, by the Republican Party, and that is because it is statistically the most trusted name in news. That is not me making fun of its moniker, it really is. It invites a mindset which reinforces that Fox is the only trustworthy source in news. At the same time, it is also the least trusted name in news, because people recognize that it's full of shit.

edited 16th Oct '12 10:46:42 PM by Enkufka

Very big Daydream Believer. "That's not knowledge, that's a crapshoot!" -Al Murray "Welcome to QI" -Stephen Fry
Aqueos Nova here from Los Angeles Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Californicating
#33197: Oct 16th 2012 at 10:51:16 PM

[up]I'm not denying they have a strong base consisting of much of the party. I'm just saying they don't have the whole entire party under their sway.

I'll admit however that the power they have over the republican party is quite frightening.

edited 16th Oct '12 10:53:01 PM by Aqueos

Bet you didn't see that coming
Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ
#33198: Oct 16th 2012 at 10:52:20 PM

And I'm saying that it may not have all of the party, but it still has the majority and the means to shift the conversation in ways which are beneficial to their elections and setting social policy unofficially. There's a reason why Global Warming Is a fraud is a real thing, since Fox championed the hacked emails several years ago, and then failed to mention that the scientists involved were cleared of wrongdoings.

edited 16th Oct '12 10:54:17 PM by Enkufka

Very big Daydream Believer. "That's not knowledge, that's a crapshoot!" -Al Murray "Welcome to QI" -Stephen Fry
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#33199: Oct 16th 2012 at 10:54:20 PM

Drunkie, you get a [awesome] for that answer.

[up]Well, Goddamn, you'd think the point of a town hall style meeting wasn't to ask questions that are of concern to you. Jesus Christ, I hope that the whole feminazi meme dies within my lifetime.

entropy13 Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#33200: Oct 16th 2012 at 10:55:56 PM

You don't have to be a saint to be better than Republicans...


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