TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

The General US Politics Thread

Go To

Nov 2023 Mod notice:


There may be other, more specific, threads about some aspects of US politics, but this one tends to act as a hub for all sorts of related news and information, so it's usually one of the busiest OTC threads.

If you're new to OTC, it's worth reading the Introduction to On-Topic Conversations and the On-Topic Conversations debate guidelines before posting here.

Rumor-based, fear-mongering and/or inflammatory statements that damage the quality of the thread will be thumped. Off-topic posts will also be thumped. Repeat offenders may be suspended.

If time spent moderating this thread remains a distraction from moderation of the wiki itself, the thread will need to be locked. We want to avoid that, so please follow the forum rules when posting here.


In line with the general forum rules, 'gravedancing' is prohibited here. If you're celebrating someone's death or hoping that they die, your post will get thumped. This rule applies regardless of what the person you're discussing has said or done.

Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM

nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#331901: Oct 6th 2020 at 3:04:36 AM

How reliable is Salon as a source?

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#331902: Oct 6th 2020 at 3:08:37 AM

I think it very much is.

Kellyanne just called her daughter sick on social media.

Oh AND said she had covid.

https://twitter.com/KellyannePolls/status/1313361762075500545

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Oct 6th 2020 at 3:09:35 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Alycus Since: Apr, 2018
#331903: Oct 6th 2020 at 3:16:55 AM

[up][up]Don't know how Salon is these days, but during the Obama years it was honestly like the worst of Tumblr got its own website.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#331904: Oct 6th 2020 at 3:24:27 AM

[up][up]I think she's calling the people who follow her daughter sick. As for her daughter, she's "just" basically calling her a naive teenager who doesn't know better.

Definitely not Mother of the Year.

Edited by M84 on Oct 6th 2020 at 6:24:40 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#331905: Oct 6th 2020 at 3:29:27 AM

Salon is decent as a news site, although I'd still prefer others as a primary source.

As an editorial site it's more rigorous than sites like Jezebel and other Gawker offshoots, but Alycus is not too off.

Edited by AlleyOop on Oct 6th 2020 at 6:30:02 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#331906: Oct 6th 2020 at 3:42:52 AM

https://www.salon.com/2020/10/06/trump-campaign-discussing-plans-to-appoint-its-own-state-electors-no-matter-the-results-report/

This article about Trump's plan to destroy democracy is positively terrifying.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#331907: Oct 6th 2020 at 3:43:40 AM

Haven't we already been over this?

Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#331908: Oct 6th 2020 at 3:59:29 AM

We've talked about how incredibly improbable it would be for everything to play out exactly to the one way that this would actually work, but there's nothing wrong with discussion Trump trying anyway.

3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#331909: Oct 6th 2020 at 4:02:19 AM

Unless there's a new development on this front, there's a good chance it'll turn into another circlewank.

"You can reply to this Message!"
Resileafs I actually wanted to be Resileaf Since: Jan, 2019
I actually wanted to be Resileaf
#331910: Oct 6th 2020 at 4:33:39 AM

Nobody is going to argue that Trump isn't willing to do that sort of thing, but his capability to do so is questionable. Especially in his current state, and with the fact that Covid is running rampant in his advisors and cronies.

3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#331911: Oct 6th 2020 at 4:47:27 AM

I'm actually now wondering about the next Presidential Debate, because its one thing to debate someone who might have Covid, and an entirely different thing to do it with someone who has it.

And isn't next round a Town Hall?

"You can reply to this Message!"
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#331913: Oct 6th 2020 at 4:49:09 AM

And if Trump is as ill as Conway’s daughter says, there’s no way they’d be able to hide it all debate long. Either he’d be hacking his way through it, or out of his mind on experimental drugs, or both.

TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#331914: Oct 6th 2020 at 4:51:31 AM

Should Donald Trump be considered an active "domestic bio-terrorist" now due to him being highly infectious and doing everything he can to spread his disease to as many people as possible, as of now?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#331915: Oct 6th 2020 at 4:52:21 AM

Heck, he couldn't even hide signs of obvious health issues in that earlier speech of his.

Disgusted, but not surprised
HighCrate Since: Mar, 2015
#331916: Oct 6th 2020 at 4:54:52 AM

[up][up]No.

He's not spitting loogies into envelopes and mailing them to Democratic voters unless they flip and vote for him.

Criminally negligent? Sure.

Bio-terrorism? No.

You don't need to make shit up to make him sound worse / scarier than he is.

He's bad enough on his own merits.

Edited by HighCrate on Oct 6th 2020 at 4:55:02 AM

TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#331917: Oct 6th 2020 at 4:59:17 AM

[up] I asked because I wasn't sure where the line went for the definition of "bio-terrorism" to be applied for someone.

That's all.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#331918: Oct 6th 2020 at 5:00:56 AM

Agreed, being irresponsible is not the same as being actively malicious.

So Trump is not a bio-terrorist. Lets focus on the crimes he does commit, rather than making spurious accusations that wouldn't hold up in a court of law.

Edited by Redmess on Oct 6th 2020 at 2:01:53 PM

Hope shines brightest in the darkest times
Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#331919: Oct 6th 2020 at 5:41:59 AM

Biden’s lead is widening. Hard to tell how much is the debate and how much is Trump’s reaction to having COVID, but it’s widened from about 7 points to nearly 9:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/

I had thought the NBC/WSJ poll that had him up by 14 was just a big outlier (most others were in the 8-11 range), but today CNN also has him up by 15-16. Those are probably still at the high end (other polls conducted in October still say +8), but there’s definitely been an increase.

I still don’t trust the midwest (Biden’s polling leads there are similar to or lower than what Hillary was showing in 2016 polls: i.e., 5-6 points), but this is a good sign.

Edited by Galadriel on Oct 6th 2020 at 8:44:45 AM

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#331920: Oct 6th 2020 at 5:47:15 AM

I think it's more due to Trump's illness and his reaction to it than the debate. Reactions to the debate largely fell along partisan lines, but that doesn't seem to be the case for Trump getting sick.

It probably doesn't help that he is putting Republicans in danger more than anything else.

Hope shines brightest in the darkest times
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#331921: Oct 6th 2020 at 6:20:35 AM

People asked what would shake the cult and that's seeing that their Golden Idol is not a god but a man.

Remember in 300 when Leonides cut Xerxes.

Gods do not bleed.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#331922: Oct 6th 2020 at 6:22:43 AM

Right, you can't really twist being sick into an asset. Though as we've already seen, some will definitely try, like with that "Biden is weak for not getting sick!" line.

Hope shines brightest in the darkest times
RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#331923: Oct 6th 2020 at 6:26:09 AM

Ben Shapiro, that animated trash heap, is already saying that Trump's miraculous recovery will result in a serum made from his antibodies and a sweep of all fifty states.

What a laughable little prick.

It's been fun.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#331924: Oct 6th 2020 at 6:28:09 AM

If someone has compassion for Trump and other sick people, they probably weren't Trump voters to begin with.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Reflextion from a post-sanity world (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
#331925: Oct 6th 2020 at 6:28:10 AM

"miraculous recovery"

If that's what passes for "miracles" these days, then it's a good thing I don't believe in the divine.

Someone did tell me life was going to be this way.

Total posts: 417,856
Top