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Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#331826: Oct 5th 2020 at 5:44:43 PM

[up]x2 A vaccine that isn't vetted properly could kill more people than the virus itself. All because Trump wants free polling points.

I'd quote but I'm on mobile and bluelinks fuck with the highlighting. Why do we not have a quote button?

Edited by Karxrida on Oct 5th 2020 at 5:47:09 AM

SatoshiBakura (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#331827: Oct 5th 2020 at 5:45:25 PM

Whenever I try to think about this, I start laughing. I know it’s not that funny (except RGB induced karma), but it all feels so fucking surreal.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#331828: Oct 5th 2020 at 5:46:13 PM

I hope others are watching Biden's town hall. This is the policy discussion we didn't get at the debate.

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#331829: Oct 5th 2020 at 5:46:51 PM

Yeah... at this point, if Trump dies, it's well and truly deserved. He's done everything to avoid bowing to reality in any way whatsoever, with his leaving the hospital being the final straw for me feeling even an iota of sympathy for him on this. I'm just done.

Edit: FFS, someone (the White House Gift Shop) is selling "Trump Beat COVID" commemorative coins! Tempting Fate to the Nth degree on this one!

Edited by ironballs16 on Oct 5th 2020 at 8:50:28 AM

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#331830: Oct 5th 2020 at 5:48:32 PM

To be fair, we're mostly past the testing stage of the vaccine. At least the most advanced in testing so far.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#331831: Oct 5th 2020 at 5:50:13 PM

Yeah, but you need stage 3 trials before doing a wide-scale deployment. Trying to abbreviate them means skipping all the representative population sample stuff.

nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#331832: Oct 5th 2020 at 5:50:38 PM

[up][up][up][up] Anything noteworthy so far, Parable? I can't listen in right now, but will watch after classes.

Edited by nova92 on Oct 5th 2020 at 5:50:50 AM

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#331833: Oct 5th 2020 at 5:52:05 PM

Yeah, but you need stage 3 trials before doing a wide-scale deployment. Trying to abbreviate them means skipping all the representative population sample stuff.

Yes, but we're WELL INTO Stage III trials.

We've been in them for almost two months.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Oct 5th 2020 at 5:52:23 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#331834: Oct 5th 2020 at 5:52:47 PM

[up]

On that note, Pfizer and Moderna subjects are reporting severe side-effects from those vaccines, so... outlook seems poor.

Edited by ironballs16 on Oct 5th 2020 at 8:53:20 AM

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#331835: Oct 5th 2020 at 5:54:22 PM

[up][up] And, again, obviously you can't test for long term efficacy or downsides if you skip the rest of it.

Trump made another stupid video.

Don’t let it dominate you. Don’t be afraid of it. You’re gonna beat it. We have the best medical equipment. We have the best medicines, all developed recently, and you’re gonna beat it.

I went, I didn’t feel so good, and two days ago, I could have left two days ago. Two days ago, I felt great, like better than I have in a long time. I just said recently, better than twenty years ago.

Don’t let it dominate. Don’t let it take over your lives. Don’t let that happen. We have the greatest country in the world. We’re going back. We’re going back to work. We’re going to be out front. As your leader I had to do that. I knew there was danger to it but I had to do it. I stood out front. I lead. Nobody that’s a leader would not do what I did. And I know there’s a danger, but that’s okay.

And now I’m better. And maybe I’m immune. I don’t know.

But don’t let it dominate your lives. Get out there. Be careful. We have the best medicines in the world. And it all happened very shortly. And they’re all getting approved. And the vaccines are coming momentarily. Thank you very much and Walter Reed – what a group of people. Thank you very much.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#331836: Oct 5th 2020 at 5:55:11 PM

Ehhh....even then they might not be due to the vaccine.

On a more positive note, all three Moderna trial participants and one in the Pfizer trial reported that their side effects, while intense, melted away after at most one day. All five, meanwhile, expressed the belief that the discomfort they experienced will be worth it for the value of the research being undertaken. Both of the trials in question are phase 3 studies that have tens of thousands of participants. And because they are double-blind, neither the patients nor the medical workers inoculating them know whether any given individual is getting the vaccine or a placebo.

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RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#331837: Oct 5th 2020 at 5:55:57 PM

Even flu vaccines can have side effects, it's just working out the scope of them.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#331838: Oct 5th 2020 at 5:56:19 PM

Even then, I'm mostly for the Oxford Vaccine that they have plans for rolling out at the end of the year if things go well.

https://www.livemint.com/science/health/covid-19-vaccine-by-end-of-this-year-oxford-on-verge-of-one-says-uk-pm-11601895010452.html

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Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#331839: Oct 5th 2020 at 5:57:48 PM

Somebody should remind Trump that his health care was paid for by the government. Many Americans don't have that luxury.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#331840: Oct 5th 2020 at 5:58:22 PM

Trump: "Yep, what a bunch of losers who don't have free healthcare."

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#331841: Oct 5th 2020 at 5:59:18 PM

@Karxrida He almost certainly knows that, and probably doesn't care.

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PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#331842: Oct 5th 2020 at 6:02:40 PM

Trump made another stupid video.

This might be the first time I've seen Trump look like he doesn't believe his own words.

i'm tired, my friend
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#331843: Oct 5th 2020 at 6:03:45 PM

"Anything noteworthy so far, Parable? I can't listen in right now, but will watch after classes."

A lot on his plans to keep workers affected by the pandemic afloat, how to reopen schools during all this, what to do about police violence, access to opportunity for the generations who got hit hardest by the recessions.

SatoshiBakura (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#331844: Oct 5th 2020 at 6:05:22 PM

It’s as if Trump thinks/knows he’s dying, but doesn’t want others to know.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#331845: Oct 5th 2020 at 6:06:00 PM

Trump's last words: "Biden...sucks."

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#331846: Oct 5th 2020 at 6:07:57 PM

[up][up][up][up] Being confronted with one's own mortality tends to do that.

We learn from history that we do not learn from history
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#331847: Oct 5th 2020 at 6:11:40 PM

Late, but @astrokitty

One of the reasons I tend to watch this thread like a hawk is because this thread has rules specifically to deal with the kinds of issues I usually hate the most when following political discussions, and the muscle to enforce them. There is actually room for meaningful and productive conversations here.

RainehDaze Nero Fangirl (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Nero Fangirl
#331848: Oct 5th 2020 at 6:11:46 PM

So, here's what Trump's aides were aiming for:

If Mr. Trump recovered quickly from his bout with the coronavirus and then appeared sympathetic to the public in how he talked about his own experience and that of millions of other Americans, he could have something of a political reset. The health crisis, one campaign official said, was a setback in a re-election campaign that polls have shown him losing for months, but also a chance to demonstrate a new stance toward the virus that might win over some voters.

And the president could use that to show from now until the second presidential debate, scheduled for Oct. 15, that the disease is serious but can be combated, and that he was ready to re-enter the campaign.

He already torpedoed it.

Itching to get out of the hospital, Mr. Trump got his wish on Monday evening. Doctors allowed him to leave for the White House, while acknowledging he hadn’t yet reached the critical seven- to 10-day window that doctors watch for with the coronavirus to see whether patients take a turn for the worse.

...

Over the weekend, Mr. Trump’s political advisers said they were clear eyed about who they were dealing with: Mr. Trump is widely seen as a figure incapable of empathy. But the hope was that discussing his own experience would help him manage the pandemic going forward, and could have political benefits.

...

Mr. Trump did little to adhere to the narrative aides were hoping would emerge, one that would benefit him politically. In videos filmed by aides of Mr. Trump behind the scenes, intended to show him working, the president did not mention the hardship the virus had caused to others or that anyone had suffered greatly from it. Nor did he mention the White House staff members who had fallen sick.

I'm just quoting/reading the Guardian stream tbh. Seems to be clipped from a NYT article.

Edited by RainehDaze on Oct 5th 2020 at 2:15:34 PM

Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#331849: Oct 5th 2020 at 6:15:29 PM

It sums up Trump's presidency that he's been handed opportunities that any half-way competent politician would be able to turn into easy wins and botched them completely.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#331850: Oct 5th 2020 at 6:17:01 PM

The sad thing is, Trump would probably be doing better if he just stayed in the hospital and took his rest, instead of tearing around like a maniac whinding himself up.

And yeah, his videos are very telling. A brave face over an anxious mind.

Hope shines brightest in the darkest times

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