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Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#331676: Oct 5th 2020 at 2:39:30 PM

[up][up] Huh, was he always the most "reasonable" of the family?

Edited by Kaiseror on Oct 5th 2020 at 4:39:57 AM

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#331677: Oct 5th 2020 at 2:40:16 PM

There are Trump supporters who are worried about COVID-19, some of my family members are one of them. Their main delusion is not not realizing Trump is making things worse.

The people who are championing opening up are likely the bocal minority.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#331678: Oct 5th 2020 at 2:42:46 PM

Some people have a choice between opening up and being destitute.

Because the GOP has blocked all relief.

The politicians supporting it choose money over lives.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Oct 5th 2020 at 2:43:45 AM

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SatoshiBakura (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#331679: Oct 5th 2020 at 2:44:54 PM

Less than an hour before Trump allegedly leaves the hospital.

MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
#331680: Oct 5th 2020 at 2:52:29 PM

By the way, do any pro-Trump people ever come around this thread, or is it only we proud resisters?

Edited by MichaelKatsuro on Oct 5th 2020 at 11:52:43 AM

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#331681: Oct 5th 2020 at 2:56:59 PM

The reason there are no Trump supporters is that their beliefs and tactics run afoul of the OT rules and they get banned.

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#331682: Oct 5th 2020 at 3:01:21 PM

Yeah, there is no official political slant for this forum. In theory, people of all stripes and affiliations are welcome. But pro-Trumpers tend to run afoul of the rules we do have prohibiting hate speech, personal attacks, and general incivility (Rule Zero: Don't be a dick).

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SatoshiBakura (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#331683: Oct 5th 2020 at 3:01:58 PM

I’m pretty sure there are a good amount of pro Trump people on the site, but they keep quiet. The ones that don’t tend to be assholes and get themselves banned.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#331684: Oct 5th 2020 at 3:04:14 PM

It's interesting to contrast this site with SF Debris' forums where there's a much greater mix.

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Scarecrow4774 from In Wonderland Since: Mar, 2017 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#331685: Oct 5th 2020 at 3:04:24 PM

What about independents? I'm registered as one and I feel like I rarely meet other independents.

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#331686: Oct 5th 2020 at 3:05:16 PM

For example, if someone comes here and says that BLM is a violent hate group, or that Jews are secretly running the world, or that Democrats are pedophiles, or that climate change is a hoax, we just ban them. They don't stick around long.

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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#331687: Oct 5th 2020 at 3:05:35 PM

I’m fairly certain there are several independents and moderates in this thread.

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#331688: Oct 5th 2020 at 3:05:59 PM

We've got some independents, though it should be noted that the quantity of independents in the country has waned significantly over the past four years.

It's difficult, in the current political climate, to be interested in politics and yet to not take a side.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 5th 2020 at 3:06:30 AM

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nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#331689: Oct 5th 2020 at 3:07:16 PM

NYT: White House will not be contact tracing the guests at the Amy Coney Barrett nomination party, despite at least 8 people getting infected by the event.

Scarecrow4774 from In Wonderland Since: Mar, 2017 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#331690: Oct 5th 2020 at 3:07:29 PM

[up] I distrust most politicians. I'm only voting for Biden because I despise Trump.

Not sure if I'll ever vote again after this election.

Edited by Scarecrow4774 on Oct 5th 2020 at 6:07:50 AM

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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#331691: Oct 5th 2020 at 3:07:49 PM

[up][up]They really all just wanna die, huh?

Edited by smokeycut on Oct 5th 2020 at 6:07:58 AM

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#331692: Oct 5th 2020 at 3:09:04 PM

You should. Not voting is how we get Trumps. If everyone who doesn't like Trump had voted in 2016, these last four years of Hell wouldn't have happened.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 5th 2020 at 3:11:27 AM

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#331693: Oct 5th 2020 at 3:10:57 PM

And obviously, there's people who aren't even from the US here, so aren't tied to the US party system. tongue

Rule 1 of voting in a two-horse race is, and should always be, to vote for the lesser of two evils. Not voting means you're more likely to get the worse option and principled abstention is masochistic.

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#331694: Oct 5th 2020 at 3:11:28 PM

Yeah Trump supporters tend to run into issues with our rules on not being a dick, debating in good faith and not engaging in hate speech.

Also it’s worth noting that a number of the regular’s here aren’t from the US, I know we’ve got a pretty broad spectrum of German party support in OTC, other countries do also have a few people, which can mean divides between parties.

Edit: On distrusting all politicians, I’d say ask yourself why you distrust them. The “all politicians suck” cultural narrative actually does a lot to help dirty politicians.

Or as my one once accidentally snarked to a non-voter when we were campaigning and they said “they’re all the same”, “On, how many do you know?”

Edited by Silasw on Oct 5th 2020 at 10:13:55 AM

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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#331695: Oct 5th 2020 at 3:12:28 PM

I’m personally of the opinion that people who can vote, but choose not to, have no right to complain about who gets elected. If they really cared, they’d have voted for someone better.

Obviously this doesn’t include people who have been disenfranchised by the Republicans.

Scarecrow4774 from In Wonderland Since: Mar, 2017 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#331696: Oct 5th 2020 at 3:13:18 PM

I should probably clarify that I'm debating leaving America and moving to Ireland.

I'm not sure if I'll vote in an American election if I'm not living there.

“We’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad.” - Lewis Carroll
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#331697: Oct 5th 2020 at 3:15:05 PM

Sure but then you’d be living in Ireland, and should if possible vote in elections here.

The civic duty to play a part in your country’s management doesn’t disappear just because you switch country.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#331698: Oct 5th 2020 at 3:15:20 PM

You should. Not voting is how we get Trumps. If everyone who doesn't like Trump had voted in 2016, these last four years of Hell wouldn't have happened.

I blame the Democratic Party and justifiably so. If they actually fought, people would vote for them.

I have voted but for people I genuinely loathe from the bottom of my heart and hold in contempt—just because the other side is worse.

Edit: On distrusting all politicians, I’d say ask yourself why you distrust them. The “all politicians suck” cultural narrative actually does a lot to help dirty politicians.

Because so many of them are evil and support evil things.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Oct 5th 2020 at 3:16:20 AM

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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#331699: Oct 5th 2020 at 3:16:13 PM

[up][up][up]I moved to Estonia three years ago and I voted in every election since, including midterms and primaries

Edited by Xopher001 on Oct 5th 2020 at 1:16:34 PM

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#331700: Oct 5th 2020 at 3:16:27 PM

Before we start playing the 2016 blame game how about we just agree that there’s lots of blame to go around for 2016 and move on?

Please? For the sake of Fighteer’s thump button?

Edited by Silasw on Oct 5th 2020 at 10:18:54 AM

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