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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
There is a chain of command, and it goes down quite far. Eventually someone isolated from Capital Hill takes the job until January.
Regarding any polling impact from the debate and Trump getting COVID, its too early to tell. In general, real impact begins to show 7-14 days after an event. Polling takes time.
Edited by Rationalinsanity on Oct 4th 2020 at 11:02:40 AM
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.During the South Carolina Senate debate between Jaime Harrison and Lindsey Graham, Harrison absolutely destroyed Lindsey Graham...by using his own words against him. Jaime also actually answered questions, while Lindsey danced around them and kept bringing up his family's bar to the point where it got annoying and redundant. Lindsey also swore he wouldn't fearmonger and then just fearmongered, and used a lot of buzz words instead of actual answers.
We'll see if it matters.
Here's the thing: nobody gives a shit about hypocrisy. Hypocrisy makes for a great "GOTCHA", but there aren't really that many voters who have "True to his word, even when it costs him our platform" as a Top Five Most Important Issues item during the election.
What voters care about is getting the things they want accomplished, accomplished. However you have to do it. Voters who care about education want to see education improved, and they aren't too concerned with the mechanism of improving it. Declaring Honor Before Reason and watching your voters' interests burn while you remain morally unimpeachable isn't actually great politics.
Republicans lie, cheat, and successfully get their agenda passed. And their voters re-elect them because they'll lie and cheat and successfully get their agenda passed. Pragmatically going back on their word to strike another win for their side of the aisle? Voters see that as a good thing, provided they're on that side.
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TBF, the Slate article notes that Graham's popularity with Republican voters has only improved.
It just notes that his ratings with Independent voters has gone down. Presumably, pointing out the hypocrisy is meant to make voters like this like Graham even less.
Edited by M84 on Oct 4th 2020 at 10:22:44 PM
Disgusted, but not surprisedBut remember, part of the reason he attached himself to Trump is because he was at real risk of a primary challenge due to being perceived as "too moderate" and being too willing to cross the aisle, no matter how ludicrous that seems now. South Carolina is a very polarized state, and Jaime Harrison's best bet at winning is getting strong turnout from the Democratic base, winning over Independents and peeling off a few Republicans/convincing them to stay at home.
The hypocrisy argument here could actually be valuable, because it's reminding voters, especially independents, that Lindsey Graham is not getting what they want accomplished. It's why Jaime Harrison is leaning into 'Sen. Graham was sent to Congress to help the people of South Carolina, but all he's doing is being Trump's biggest fan.' and focusing heavily on local issues.
And Trump's supporters have primaried or attacked other candidates for not being sycophantic enough, so the flip-flopper argument could be worth making over there as well. It's trying to get some of them to at least stay at home or leave the Senate column blank, which is where Lindsey Graham's base problems come into play.
Edited by nova92 on Oct 4th 2020 at 7:38:33 AM
Anyone else think it might have been a mistake on Team Biden's part to take down his attack/negative ads while Trump is sick? Frankly, this isn't the time and place for chivalry. Unless there was serious evidence that Biden will be hurt electorally by keeping them, he should leave them up.
Edited by Rationalinsanity on Oct 4th 2020 at 11:50:44 AM
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.And if you really want to compare the two, here are their policies side by side.
@Raineh Daze -
I was going to inquire about that in the LGBTQ thread, as I had seen some posts on Reddit and couldn't understand why pictures of Proud Boys were getting such a positive reception.
After the second picture I saw, I kind of clicked on the fact that a gay couple was pictured, but I was still kind of wondering if it was an Ernst Röhm kind of thing going on.
Edited by Hodor2 on Oct 4th 2020 at 10:10:23 AM
On another Team Biden note, if Trump does agree to do the 2nd (or more likely) 3rd debate because they claim he's recovered....Biden and everyone working that debate should demand multiple, third party negative COVID tests. Because if Trump's condition improves I could definitely see him trying to debate knowing that he's still infectious, and then call Biden out for being a coward.
And let's face it, no one in his circle would try and stop him.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.So GOP Rep. Jim Banks (R-Indiana) is criticizing Pelosi for "Victim-Blaming" Trump for his having COVID, and demanding she apologize for it
.
Diseases don't fucking care about feelings. They never will - so don't compare shit like catching a communicable ailment while deliberately avoiding precautions to someone being raped or mugged. The perpetrators of the latter are making a conscious decision - a virus is not.
Edited by ironballs16 on Oct 4th 2020 at 11:41:06 AM
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-covid-19-updates-monday/index.html
Attorney General William Barr will self-quarantine "for now" but is expected to return to work this week, according to a Justice Department spokesperson.
Well he might have it.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Oct 4th 2020 at 9:37:52 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.Speaking of, Pence is going to campaign on Trump's behalf, even though Republicans want him to stay in Washington
.
The short of it is that Republicans are worried Pence will end up getting himself infected doing campaign events since it's now proven their protocols for preventing infection are inadequate, and it seems unlikely they'll enforce stricter ones.
I don't wish him ill, but my god it would be morbidly hilarious if he got sick doing the same damn thing.

Whoever is next down the line of succession takes over, and probably will operate on a skeleton cabinet of whoever remains. Pence is still healthy and already in fine condition to take his place.
Remember that Bolsonaro and Johnson, the other heads of state to contract COVID, both eventually recovered from COVID even if they may have experienced a rollercoaster of symptoms. Thus like Tobias said, all the hysteria over whether Trump will live or not, even for the purpose of schadenfreude, is a bunch of irrelevant Epileptic Trees until whatever happens actually comes to happen. It's a waste of your energy and time.
The degree to which Trump is physically incapacitated or inconvenienced by it is less important than what he (or whoever may be puppetting his image
) actually does as acting head of state.
Edited by AlleyOop on Oct 4th 2020 at 10:03:28 AM