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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#331226: Oct 3rd 2020 at 11:48:18 AM

[up][up] I absolutely agree that it’s abhorrent to wish sickness and death upon someone else, for any reason.

Edited by CaptainCapsase on Oct 3rd 2020 at 2:48:46 PM

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#331227: Oct 3rd 2020 at 11:49:15 AM

@Charles, your friend is amazing.

CNN is breaking that Trump received supplemental oxygen yesterday. That's the step before being put on a ventilator, AFAIK. No link yet.

Regarding the Pence Pardon escape plan, that doesn't protect those who are involved in state level corruption charges.

Edited by Rationalinsanity on Oct 3rd 2020 at 3:50:19 PM

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#331228: Oct 3rd 2020 at 11:50:33 AM

Sure it's not nice for people to wish ill on Trump, but I don't think people that were affected by Trump's antics care at all.

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#331229: Oct 3rd 2020 at 11:51:43 AM

Just an opinion rather than news, but am I the only who thinks it's kind of ghoulish that so many liberals are laughing at Trump and the other Republicans who have COVID and/or are actively wishing death on them?

The bloodthirsty "an eye for an eye" attitude is disturbing IMO

All due respect to everyone suffering from COVID-19, but nobody deserves to die from COVID-19 moreso than the people who have worked very hard, every day of this year, to maximize the deathtoll from COVID-19.

So, yes, liberals are getting some sense of catharsis from Republican leaders reaping what they've spent the last year sowing.

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Arctimon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#331230: Oct 3rd 2020 at 11:51:47 AM

@Titan: There's no way of verifying that the last tweet Trump sent out was from him.

We don't even know what's going on with him, because insiders and doctors are saying two totally different things.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#331231: Oct 3rd 2020 at 11:53:05 AM

I saw someone point out that if this was Biden, Trump would be laughing at him during a rally and calling him “breathless Joe” or something like that. And that’s entirely accurate.

I also find it incredibly unsurprising that this happened. This wasn’t bad luck, it was the obvious and natural outcome of Trump and the GOP’s reckless behavior.

But as I said before, I don’t care what happens to him at the end of all this. I just want Biden in the white house, and with him putting Garland on the SCOTUS.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#331232: Oct 3rd 2020 at 11:53:18 AM

@ Mr Hellboy: I fully agree, and refuse to do so. I wish all those infected to get well, Republican or otherwise, including Trump.

Perhaps especially Trump. I want him to lose the election, face the courts, and brought to account for his crimes.

[up][up][up] Catharsis is one thing, but grave dancing is quite another.

Edited by Redmess on Oct 3rd 2020 at 8:54:32 PM

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#331233: Oct 3rd 2020 at 11:53:26 AM

@Rational: It is, but I’d caution against reading too much into that; cost and access to equipment is no obstacle here, supplements oxygen can improve the comfort of patients with breathing difficulties who don’t strictly need it, and this is a case where doctors really will be taking absolutely every possible precaution.

Edited by CaptainCapsase on Oct 3rd 2020 at 2:55:29 PM

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#331234: Oct 3rd 2020 at 11:55:56 AM

[up] True, and extra oxygen also helps when breathing is laboured or obstructed. They likely just don't want to run any risk here.

Edited by Redmess on Oct 3rd 2020 at 8:56:23 PM

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#331235: Oct 3rd 2020 at 11:57:20 AM

But as I said before, I don’t care what happens to him at the end of all this. I just want Biden in the white house, and with him putting Garland on the SCOTUS.

Garland might be the most appropriate for reasons of irony, but he was already a moderate pick. Not sure he's something particularly desirable.

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#331236: Oct 3rd 2020 at 11:57:44 AM

So I'm checking the text of the 25th amendmend. And here's the thing which a very cynic part of my brain feels the need to point out:

There's no automatic process if the President is incapitated.

There is if he's I. Impeached II. Resigns and III. Dead.

Otherwise its up to Cabinet+VP to remove him if he's unable to do his duties.

So there's literally, and I mean literally, no legal recourse for Trump being put on life support even if he's effectively dead and Cabinet simply refuses to declare him unfit to perform his duties.

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Wryte Since: Jul, 2010
#331237: Oct 3rd 2020 at 11:57:45 AM

Just an opinion rather than news, but am I the only who thinks it's kind of ghoulish that so many liberals are laughing at Trump and the other Republicans who have COVID and/or are actively wishing death on them?

You might have a point if these people hadn't spent this entire year doing everything in their power to make the covid crisis worse, on top of every other bit of outright evil they've been committing in that same time frame and longer.

So no, I'm not really inclined to feel bad about anyone saying "Fuck 'em."

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#331238: Oct 3rd 2020 at 11:58:04 AM

Trump caused directly, through policy, the illness and death of thousands.

I don't see why he's deserving of our respect. He's a fascist who's ruined so many lives, I can't exactly work up the energy to care about wanting him to get better.

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
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#331239: Oct 3rd 2020 at 11:59:18 AM

Just do what I do. Don't wish for his death, but don't care if he bites it.

[down] evil grin

Edited by SatoshiBakura on Oct 3rd 2020 at 3:00:45 PM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#331240: Oct 3rd 2020 at 11:59:45 AM

You might not wish him to die, sure, but after everything he has done I certainly don't care whether or not he lives through this.

Edit: [nja], damn it.

Edited by HailMuffins on Oct 3rd 2020 at 4:00:03 PM

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#331241: Oct 3rd 2020 at 12:00:14 PM

I would rather he didn't die if only because that makes the whole election more confusing. Otherwise, I don't care.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#331242: Oct 3rd 2020 at 12:00:34 PM

[up][up][up][up][up][up] I think that would be a constitutional crisis right then and there, and likely no cabinet would want to go there.

[up][up][up] Exactly. I can't help feeling catharsis over his fate, and I won't shed a tear over his death, but I find actively wishing death a bridge too far.

Edited by Redmess on Oct 3rd 2020 at 9:02:06 PM

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Wispy Since: Feb, 2017
#331243: Oct 3rd 2020 at 12:01:00 PM

Tobias explained my position better on this than I could of.

I feel sympathy for all the doctors and nurses whom have tried their damnedest to fight the virus.

I feel sympathy for the random everyday people that sadly caught it due to unfortunate circumstances despite trying to avoid it.

People peddling misinformation, trying to downplay it. or saying its a hoax though like Trump and his cronies. They have no one else to blame from themselves. My main concern is the potential fallout that will come after whatever happens next.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#331244: Oct 3rd 2020 at 12:01:55 PM

I don't wish death on anyone but if he did die, then there would be little chance he could destroy American democracy.

I HATE that I feel that.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Oct 3rd 2020 at 12:02:09 PM

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TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
#331245: Oct 3rd 2020 at 12:02:09 PM

Edit: nvm.

Edited by TheRoguePenguin on Oct 3rd 2020 at 12:02:42 PM

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#331246: Oct 3rd 2020 at 12:02:44 PM

[up][up][up]have you seen these last 4 years.

Constitutional Crisis is the subtitle of this Presidency.

And yes, this specifically included members of Cabinet when they did stuff like order their department members appearing before Congress and stuff.

Edited by 3of4 on Oct 3rd 2020 at 9:02:58 PM

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#331247: Oct 3rd 2020 at 12:03:03 PM

I’ll admit I don’t feel great about wishing death on someone, even if it’s Trump. Perhaps it’s due to my grandmother having passed away recently (not of Covid, mind you), but even if I dislike most of his family, I wouldn’t want them to have to experience that sort of grief.

Now, him resigning, I feel I can solidly get behind.

Regardless, I’d like to see Pence questioned on all of this during the debate - ask him if the White House and the GOP will admit that their response to all of this has been poor, particularly in light of the ACB nomination party.

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#331248: Oct 3rd 2020 at 12:03:29 PM

If he does die though, that will be one hell of an awkward national funeral.

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nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#331249: Oct 3rd 2020 at 12:03:55 PM

I see about 5 people talking about liberals gravedancing for every person actually expressing satisfaction/glee over Trump having COVID. The most common sentiment is that 1) he brought it on himself, with his disregard of health measures 2) the bulk of sympathy should be with those whose lives (through no fault of their own) were destroyed or negatively impacted by COVID due to Trump's inability to have even a shred of care for people who are not himself.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#331250: Oct 3rd 2020 at 12:03:58 PM

Even if Trump dies and that works out in such a way that is politically beneficial for the Democrats (which isn't totally assured), I don't think its right to take pleasure in another person's suffering. I understand that people may feel that way regardless, but it's not something to be proud of.


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