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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#331101: Oct 3rd 2020 at 7:57:16 AM

Trump did outright say that the US was looking great on coronavirus numbers if you ignore blue state victims, which is close enough.

It's been fun.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#331102: Oct 3rd 2020 at 7:58:12 AM

If Trump didn't order it, he appointed the man who did.

Suddenly all the stealing of masks, ventilators, and so on looks a lot more malevolent.

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#331103: Oct 3rd 2020 at 8:02:15 AM

Ignoring blue state victims only makes Trump callous, not murderous, and appointing Kushner alone does not make him responsible for Kushner's decisions (also, Stalin used the would-be Holodomor as a way to exterminate farmers and peasants he thought were saboteurs, he wasn't merely callous about it)

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#331104: Oct 3rd 2020 at 8:03:20 AM

I think you actually do bear responsibility for the actions of the people you appoint.

But I admit I mostly hate Trump for his attempts to destroy democracy.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#331105: Oct 3rd 2020 at 8:05:21 AM

I agree, say of Trump what you will, but ignorance and stupidity don't equal mass murder.

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Wispy Since: Feb, 2017
#331106: Oct 3rd 2020 at 8:09:15 AM

He was malicious about his stupidity and ignorance, arguments on the use of the term of mass murder aside he was for the most part responsible for those 200,000+ Covid victims dying.

If he for example just shut up and let the medical professionals handle the crisis we would of been much better off but he has done nothing but downplay it, make bidding wars out of the ventilators, threaten with no sending aide to blue states, downplay it, make racist bullshit out of it, and so much more.

Stupidity and ignorance only goes so far until it becomes being actively malicious.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#331107: Oct 3rd 2020 at 8:09:50 AM

Agreed, mass murder is rather hyperbolic.

[up] That does not mean he actively wanted to kill them. Intent matters.

Edited by Redmess on Oct 3rd 2020 at 5:10:33 PM

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#331108: Oct 3rd 2020 at 8:10:25 AM

"Republican Sen. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin has tested positive for coronavirus after being exposed to someone with the virus earlier this week, according to his spokesman, making him the third GOP senator to test positive in 24 hours and threatening the quick confirmation prospects of Judge Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court."

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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#331109: Oct 3rd 2020 at 8:11:28 AM

Whether or not Trump dies is, to me, irrelevant. I just hope that him (and all these other Republican politicians) are out of commission as a result of their own foolish actions for long enough that it stops the SCOTUS vote and makes it easier for Biden to win.

Either they get better or they don’t. Regardless of that, I’m just hoping for some gains on our end.

EDIT: And now there’s a third person. I doubt it’ll be the last. If this does stop the SCOTUS vote, then good. They weren’t being fair about it, so the universe stepped in and made them play fair.

Edited by smokeycut on Oct 3rd 2020 at 11:12:42 AM

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#331110: Oct 3rd 2020 at 8:11:32 AM

Are we really sure malice wasn't involved, though? Callous disregard for life? He and his subordinates gave direct orders that directly led to deaths. Just because he didn't execute people in cold blood doesn't mean he isn't responsible.

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#331111: Oct 3rd 2020 at 8:14:08 AM

Yeah, negligent homicide is still homicide.

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#331112: Oct 3rd 2020 at 8:14:28 AM

Yeah the evidence is that malice was involved, at least malice on the level of the Irish Potato Famine.

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#331113: Oct 3rd 2020 at 8:15:44 AM

I think, at the very least, he is guilty of manslaughter (malice isnt required)

Edited by DeMarquis on Oct 3rd 2020 at 11:16:22 AM

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Wispy Since: Feb, 2017
#331114: Oct 3rd 2020 at 8:16:10 AM

[up][up][up][up][up][up]Withholding aide to ailing states just because they hurt his feel feels by criticizing him is enough of an intent for me.

I am pretty sure most other presidents, whether they liked their critics or not, would of tried to give aide to as many parts of the US that they could spare aide too.

Edited by Wispy on Oct 3rd 2020 at 8:17:04 AM

MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
#331115: Oct 3rd 2020 at 8:16:12 AM

Charles: It's just "Ukraine," not "the Ukraine." I'm told it's an important point to the people of that country.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#331116: Oct 3rd 2020 at 8:20:07 AM

I feel we should be giving Legal Eagle a call or something.

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Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#331117: Oct 3rd 2020 at 8:33:34 AM

Plenty of European countries had horrific outbreaks and death tolls even though their governments were sincerely trying their best to control the pandemic. Canada’s had it bad too, though not as bad as the US (yet - we’re into a very bad second wave). Even with a competent government the US could still easily have had a high death toll.

Some of the deaths are definitely Trump’s fault and the fault of Congressional and state-level Republicans, especially the ones from the summer peak caused by opening up too early and completely. But the majority aren’t attributable to gross negligence and selfishness, they’re attributable to this thing being incredibly hard to control.

Edited by Galadriel on Oct 3rd 2020 at 11:35:52 AM

nova92 Since: Apr, 2020
#331118: Oct 3rd 2020 at 8:44:09 AM

Former NJ Governor Chris Christie tested positive for COVID. Link to his twitter. He was also an attendee of Amy Coney Barrett's nomination party.

Edited by nova92 on Oct 3rd 2020 at 8:45:26 AM

MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
#331119: Oct 3rd 2020 at 8:46:59 AM

I still can't believe that "Christopher Christie" is his actual name.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#331120: Oct 3rd 2020 at 8:47:43 AM

[up][up][up] Indeed, and you'd have a very hard time proving guilt for any number of deaths, especially since governments are not dictatorships and decisions are not made by singular persons.

Edited by Redmess on Oct 3rd 2020 at 5:48:04 PM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#331121: Oct 3rd 2020 at 8:48:03 AM

I mean,there's a John Jonson out there somewhere

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Edited by Ultimatum on Oct 3rd 2020 at 3:48:15 PM

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MichaelKatsuro Since: Apr, 2011
#331122: Oct 3rd 2020 at 8:48:49 AM

And a popular writer called Jonas Jonasson. But still.

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#331123: Oct 3rd 2020 at 8:50:13 AM

Stefan Karl's full name was Stefan Karl Karlsson.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#331124: Oct 3rd 2020 at 8:51:42 AM

Not to rehash, but while I’m happy for anyone who hasn’t gotten Covid, but I really don’t get how Biden and Pence didn’t get it if so many other people did who were at that event or interacted with people who were. . Hopefully those tests aren’t false negatives.

Like they rolled a natural 20 right?

I find it scary having no sense of when/if being around people is safe.

Edited by Hodor2 on Oct 3rd 2020 at 10:52:51 AM

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#331125: Oct 3rd 2020 at 8:51:47 AM

Literal patronymics don't count. tongue


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